Re: Did Mary Brunner Betray Manson?
Posted by: "candygramma70" candygramma70@XXXXX.com
Mon Aug 3, 2009 4:21 pm (PDT)
Well Rabbit you wouldnot like my crime related group then because we are judge jury and executioner. we nit pick current cases.we have our theories on why Casey Anthony killed Caylee. most of us already have her getting the DP.. So yes this group CAN have the chance to be judge ,jury and executioner.
and many do jus tthat- opinion. theories.
I dont know what to tell you but if you want exact truth only told in here then you are going to have to cough up some facts.
THIS group will remain arm chair detective ,lawyer, judge and the jury.
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, WHITE RABBITT
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> this group might not be a court of law but eran andjamie treat it like this group is a court of law and they are the judges
(CG obviously thinks she has the right to play judge, jury, and prosecutor on innocent people but she's wrong! NOBODY except qualified individuals in a REAL court of law can do that! Of course, CG needs to pass judgments on others to feel superior. Also, she allowed her precious Eran to do as he pleased in the group without any serious repercussions at all! That's like letting a murderer run the streets free without the death penalty or a life sentence being imposed. Too bad CG doesn't know how to run a group properly. If she did, there might be more members in there now instead of the measly little 68 she has currently. They're all probably just a bunch of CG's loyal puppets who toe the line whenever she cracks the whip. Too bad they can't think or stand up for themselves.)
Re: Did Manson ever actually meet Elvis Presley or Frank Zappa in pe
Posted by: "candygramma70" candygramma70@XXXXX.com
Mon Aug 3, 2009 3:55 pm (PDT)
-Personal stuff like what time you went poop is personal but you can generalize what you did.
if we didnt disucuss things that went on 40 years ago? this group would be dead and closed down
-- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, WHITE RABBITT
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> i think that what i did at the log cabin is personal
> and why should people debate about what i ate for dinner or what we did at zappas house, 40 years a go matter
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> From: candygramma70
> Subject: [charlesmanson_ and_family] Re: Did Manson ever actually meet Elvis Presley or Frank Zappa in person?
> To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 12:47 PM
-and THAT is NOT being a good member of this group.
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> IF you donot want to discuss anything then I am wondering what is the point? If you LIVED witrh Zappa then you should be ready to post about it. Thing is people just have a hard time believing anything becayse y9ou say you were there but you won't even discuss anything.
(I have a few things to point out about this. First of all, White Rabbitt has the right to privacy if he wants it and I feel CG was wrong for pressuring him to tell her anything more. Too bad her group isn't dead and closed down now. Hopefully, it will be at some point though because it's nothing but a garbage dump full of parasites. Charlie's song "Garbage Dump" is perfect for the "charlesmanson_and_family" group and should be their theme song. The second point I want to make is regarding CG's statement about what is supposedly "NOT being a good member of the group." CG herself doesn't know what being a good group member is all about so she really has no right preaching to anyone else. CG NEVER practices what she preaches and I think it's best if she just shuts up completely. She's nothing but a big bag of wind and I look forward to the day when that balloon is deflated.)
Re: Manson & Bobby B.~ What Was Their Relationship Really Like?
Posted by: "X" atwa13x@XXXXX.com
Tue Aug 4, 2009 1:54 am (PDT)
No offense CG but eran is baiting people and yet nothing is being said to him. Only Rabbitt. Why is that? Sometimes, it's hard to ignore the ignorance certain individuals display you know.
X (aka Noel)
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, cg
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> This is what this group is all about- members can post what ever they want-- what might be dribble to you may be somehting important to another.
> we just cant kick someone down for wha tthey post. Is better to just ignore if there cant be a civil post ..OK??
> Members ask questions,members make opinions. NO one was THERE when all this went on so all WE really know is what we hear,read and think.
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> From: WHITE RABBITT
> Subject: Re: [charlesmanson_ and_family] Re: Manson & Bobby B.~ What Was Their Relationship Really Like?
> To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 10:00 AM
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> eran u must be insane to post the same dribble every day get a life u frickin low life
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> --- On Mon, 8/3/09, eran.gafni
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> From: eran.gafni
> Subject: [charlesmanson_ and_family] Re: Manson & Bobby B.~ What Was Their Relationship Really Like?
> To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 9:51 AM
> If you sick, go see a shrink...
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> --- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, WHITE RABBITT
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> > look eran u post such crapola it makes me sick reading it, i dont have to prove nothing to u or anyone else i lived in la i was there u were not so get off your high horse eran
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> > --- On Mon, 8/3/09, eran.gafni
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> > To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
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> > Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 9:40 AM
> When YOU start to provide facts, you'll be taken seriousely.
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> > --- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, WHITE RABBITT
> u dont know that as fact aaron u are talking nunsence
(Notice how CG jumps right in to save her precious Eran? I felt it was wrong which is what prompted me to question her about it. What truly amazes me the most is how CG goes on about "not kicking someone down for what they post" and "it's better to just ignore if there can't be a civil post" but yet SHE kicks Rabbitt down for what HE posts! CG obviously can't ignore either because she always comes to the defense of that weasel Eran whenever someone dares to challenge him. Pathetic puke!)
Re: Did Mary Brunner Betray Manson?
Posted by: "eran.gafni" eran.gafni@XXXXX.com
Tue Aug 4, 2009 2:12 am (PDT)
I'm sorry. I was wrong. I have no right to judge you nor anyone else. I had not realized my actions before now or how they effect others. Accept my apology please. Thanks!
(Now, this is a REAL shocker! Eran actually apologized for his misguided actions! This was NEVER a common occurrence with him because he always thought his words were golden. It's refreshing to see him actually take personal responsibility for his own actions.)
Re: Manson's State Of Mind - The Last 3 Months
Posted by: "eran.gafni" eran.gafni@XXXXX.com
Thu Aug 6, 2009 5:27 am (PDT)
Jamie, Manson always knew how to twist around the facts so they'll suit his whims and his wish to remove himslef any responsibility to anything which happened back then.
1. Manson was the one wishing to go the desert.
2. Manson provided the drugs to the Family and supervised the amount they consumed in general.
3. Manson was the one toiling the girls in endless, sysiphic tasks like digging shelters, guarding, cleaning, cooking (and carrying the food the whole distance to the Lotus mine and to Mayers Ranch)in extremely heat conditions and into the night.
4. Manson led them in their robbery and stealing forays.
5. Manson forbid anyone from leaving, forcing them to stay - not the other way around. Those who showed signs they wish to quit were threaten boldly by killing and mutilations. Charlie in fact left the desert twice - in September and on Oct. 8, during that time the girls who were the most vulnerable took their chance and fled. Manson returned not because they pleaded him to come back but because he sensed all doors were shut infront of him after the TLB murders and because of his violent, weird conduct back then (he did, however, find time to go to Greg Jackobson's house and threaten his wife as well as to Danny Wilson's house, ditto, and Terri Melcher, ditto.
6. When the arresting aquad came on Oct. 12, he - like a real rat - abandoned his "kids" and went to hide, not caring a bit what would happen to them. His only care after the arrests were to keep the silence and trying to terrorise them into not cooperating with the cops.
This is how it happened and not as Manson twisted mind tells it.
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "jlm30260@.. ."
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> As everyone knows, the last few months in the family are important in understanding what occurred. In Manson, His Own Words, CM speaks a great deal of the stress in the family. He stated that no one wanted to work, they were low on everything, including drugs. We all know that they were stealing and ripping people off to get by.
> He seemed to have been feeling a great deal of pressure and frustration.
> Did he want out of it? In the book, he states that he did, but they always convinced him to stay. So it makes me wonder if this is a part of why things happened as they did. That and some of the statements that were made, such as he only sent the ones who were expendable to the murders. Was he just trying to get rid of some of them?
> Maybe he just gave up and said to hell with everything? Could he have felt that he was losing them anyway, with Paul Crockett and all? In the book Manson outright blames drugs for the demise of the family, and everything turning dark and bad. They were doing enormous amounts of drugs. You can not control addicts, addicts only follow their addiction. That could have been another form of Manson losing control over the family.
> What do you guys think?
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> Jamie
(More crap from Eran as usual. Jamie brings up some good points in her post but Eran being the typical fool he is only saw yet ANOTHER opportunity to slam Charlie rather than give any serious thought to what Jamie is talking about. Eran is a closed-minded bastard who only knows how to spew garbage about the 1 man who makes him question HIS OWN manhood. I have stated similar things before in previous blog entries but I truly believe this is the case with Eran which is why I can't stress my feelings enough. It would be in Eran's best interest I think to open his eyes and see BOTH sides of the situation but unfortunately, his brain is too clogged up with misguided crud to see anything else except his own delusions. He just can't see past all the lies which is a damn shame:( Perhaps someday, he will wake up to the truth.)
Re: Manson's State Of Mind - The Last 3 Months
Posted by: "eran.gafni" eran.gafni@XXXXX.com
Thu Aug 6, 2009 5:28 am (PDT)
Manson was never capable of doign such elaborate analysis. He was ego-centric and so didn't care if they loved him, as long as he had control on them. He didn't give a damnabout them or their fate at any time.
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "jlm30260@.. ."
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> Just to add: I think it is very possible that one day, when they had little or no dope, Manson may have looked around and realized that the people did not love him~ They loved the drugs. Maybe he even felt used and hurt, in a twisted way his use of drugs had bitten him on the ass.
> Jamie
(Yet MORE misguided crap from Eran! He just never learns! Everything he said about Charlie is only what's deeply rooted inside HIS OWN self! I doubt Eran is capable of doing ANY sort of elaborate analysis on life and HE is the 1 who is ego-centric! Of course, he has to pass the buck onto Charlie as usual to release all responsibility off HIMSELF. This is nothing new in Eran's warped little world!)
Re: Manson's State Of Mind - The Last 3 Months
Posted by: "eran.gafni" eran.gafni@XXXXX.com
Thu Aug 6, 2009 5:53 am (PDT)
Manson could have split away easily from the Family "business" just like that, nobody would have stopped him and nobody would intimidate him had he chosen to do so.
Manson, unlike the others, was free to go and come as he pleased.
(More of the same crap from the vicious soul of Eran. What a moron!)
That's all for today. Check back this weekend for my next update.
