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Sunday, July 25, 2010

Update For July 25, 2010.

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Sunday, July 18, 2010

Update For July 18, 2010.

This update starts off with some crap from Cher to me:


Re: Susan Atkins Denied Parole

Posted by: "Cher Stoll" stollcher@XXXXX.com stollcher

Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:16 pm (PDT)



How do you know this? Where you attached to Charlies side 24-7 in the 60s? Its my opinion. My opinion on much research. I admit there are things I dont recall or have not read but I am still open to research and make an open minded opinion.

Noel, I see that you say that you will but you have excuses. You have not had the time. Well before you continue to defend with our knowing ALL the facts how can you continue to defend.

I believe its your hatred for the police. I do believe something happened in the past to make you feel as you do.

Cher

"One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It's very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project. . . . Now, the American people, if you put it to them about socialized medicine and gave them a chance to choose, would unhesitatingly vote against it." - Ronald Reagan

----- Original Message ----
From: atwa13x <atwa13x@XXXXX. com>
To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:41:02 PM
Subject: [charlesmanson_ and_family] Re: Susan Atkins Denied Parole

Why do you keep saying he was a killer when he didn't actually commit any of the murders?

X (aka Noel)


(Actually, my hatred for the police have NOTHING to do with my statement regarding Charlie NOT killing anyone. He did NOT kill anyone as a fact but was convicted along with the REAL killers all because of BUGliosi's lust for power. Based on what I have seen from Cher so far, she has NOT been as open mined as she portrays herself to be. She has attacked me several times for my beliefs even though she may not realize it. Those who are locked up in their minds are incapable of seeing themselves for REAL after all.)


Re: Susan Atkins Denied Parole

Posted by: "atwa13x" atwa13x@XXXX.com atwa13x

Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:17 pm (PDT)



Love is whatever you make it.

X (aka Noel)

--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "candygramma70" wrote:
>
> -oh granted they call it *making love not war*
> that was free love days.
> I am just saying it really isnot making LOVE because you donot LOVE the person you jus tmet 30 seconds ago.
>
>


Re: Who, besides Manson, claims that Manson is innocent?

Posted by: "candygramma70" candygramma70@XXXXX.com candygramma70

Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:08 pm (PDT)



-I would sure questiont hat. If this was true it would have come out long before now. It is called with holding vital information.
and as it stands? it is called heresay.
I am assuming everything this Ergot said was gospel? If that is the case why wasn't it investigated . where was this persont ha ttold Ergot? he with held information also. something just doesnt sound right.

-- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "atwa13x" wrote:
>
> Rabbitt, we can say this until the cows come home but people will continue passing the buck onto Charlie. Something I never mentioned before but should have is Ergot told me Sharon Tate's father had the ranch under surveillance and he knew Charlie didn't kill his daughter. I don't know where he heard that but this is what he told me. It should be real interesting to see what sort of reply this post gets. Probably more of the same crap I have seen before.
>
> X (aka Noel)


(CG could NEVER measure up to Ergot's wisdom even though she would like to. That man knew more about Manson than CG EVER could! Research makes all the difference which is what he did and CG fails to do.)


Re: Susan Atkins Denied Parole

Posted by: "candygramma70" candygramma70@XXXXX.com candygramma70

Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:30 pm (PDT)



-YOU are the driver-- your 4 buddies go into a house -- one of them KILLS someone. YOU the driver goes down for 1st degree just as they do . Guilt by association. now with a good atty he may get you to turn states evidense to keep you from Life or death. in prison.
BUT if you dont roll over you go down just like they do.
That is just the way it is.
You have heroin in your car. you loan your car to someone - they get stopped THEY get charged with possession. Just the way law is.
I refuse to beleive he knew zilch about what was going on and what went down.

-- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "atwa13x" wrote:
>
> Then the 1st degree murder charge shouldn't have even been smacked on him. This is how I feel about it.
>
> X (aka Noel)
>
>
> --- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "bredlau3" wrote:
> >
> > everyone knows that he didn't ACTUALLY kill anyone.


(Regardless if Charlie knew what was going to happen on the night of the murders or not, It does NOT mean he planned or carried them out! That's the point! 1 thing I can agree with though is the driver was just as responsible as the killers. Linda Kasabian should have been convicted along with the others. Unfortunately, she was able to con her way into BUGliosi's heart which led to her getting full immunity. Now if only Charlie had been an ass-kisser like HER, he probably would have avoided a conviction too. BUGliosi would have seen the REAL truth instead of inventing his own version of events.)


That's all for today. Have a great week everyone!

Sunday, July 11, 2010

Update For July 11, 2010.

Sorry for the delay in posting this update but I have been quite busy with other things lately. Anyway, this update starts off with my reply to some crap from "charlesmanson_and_family" ringleader CG:


Re: Just Wondering

Posted by: "atwa13x" atwa13x@XXXXX.com atwa13x

Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:24 pm (PDT)



I wish there was another active group around with a more even amount of supporters in it.

X (aka Noel)

--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "candygramma70" wrote:
>
> -In defense of anyone and everyone- I can guarantee you there are no TROLLS in here. We USED to have a couple but they were shown the back door.
> There are strong differences of opinions here and thats what keeps this group active. One of the best active manson groups on the net. show me another manson active group. LOL
> I do believe in having both sides. and as for sensitivity. far as I can see no one has really got down and dirty. I hate to rag on someone for MINOR infractions Its like pick your battles to rag on.
> If you feel we are too lax/too strict just email the owners and we will se what we can do.


(Really now? CG, Cher, DP (Dumb Puke) and Eran have indeed shown themselves to be "Trolls" but of course CG can't see the truth in HERSELF which is why she can't see it in her favorites either.)


Re: Bruce Davis

Posted by: "candygramma70" candygramma70@XXXXX.com candygramma70

Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:36 pm (PDT)



OMG grow the hell up you are much too old to act so childish. Noel chooses to drink . I am NOT going to be her scapegoat to make it right for her to get drunk.

Stop with the slander shit (slander means I talked shit about her - posting is libel and she was not libeled about anything.)- that got old really fast. No one but Eran was libeled

--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, WHITE RABBITT wrote:
>
> now cg is slanding noel and disrespecting her so know noel has to get drunk o my god
>
> --- On Mon, 9/14/09, atwa13x wrote:
>
> From: atwa13x
> Subject: [charlesmanson_ and_family] Re: Bruce Davis
> To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 4:42 PM
>>
> NO NEED FOR THE CAPS CG! My vision is just fine. Of course you say what I posted is uncalled for. I mean after all I'm just a nothing right and always wrong? I'm going to get drunk now because I'm extremely on edge. Nobody gives a damn about me anyway.
>
>
>
> X (aka Noel)


(Too bad CG can't tell the difference between reality and sarcasm. Of course, common sense ALWAYS slips her mind when she's defending her sweetie Eran. He can do no wrong in her blind eyes after all.)


Cease To Exist/Never Learn Not To Love You

Posted by: "bredlau3" bredlau3@XXXXXXX.com bredlau3

Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:37 pm (PDT)



here are the Manson lyrics

Pretty girl
Pretty pretty girl
cease to exist
just come and say you love me
give up your world
c'mon you can see
i'm your kind, i'm your kind
you can see
walk on, walk on
i love you pretty girl
my life is yours and
you can have my world
never had a lesson I ever learned
but I know we all get our turn
i love you
submission is a gift
go on, give it to your brother
love and understanding is for one another
i'm your kind, i'm your kind
I'm your mind
I'm your brother
i never had a lesson I ever learned
but I know we all get our turn
and I love you
Never learned not to love you
I never learned.
____________ _________ _________ _

here are the Beach boys words

Cease to resist, come on say you love me
Give up your world, come on and be with me
I'm your kind, I'm your kind, and I see

Come on come on, ooo I love you pretty girl
My life is yours, and you can have my world
I'm your kind, I'm your kind, and I see

Never had a lesson I ever learned
I know I could never learn not to love you
Come in now closer
Come in closer closer closer ahhhh

Submission is a gift given to another
Love and understanding is for one another
I'm your kind, I'm your kind, and I see

Never had a lesson I ever learned
I know I could never learn not to love you
Come in now closer
Come in closer come in closer ahhhh

Ahhh-ahhh-ahhh- ahhh-ahhhhhh
Ahhh-ahhh-ahhh- ahhh-ahhhhhh


(Obviously, Aaron decided to pull the same crap as Cher did with the added verse in Charlie's song. The verse: "I'm your mind" was NEVER in the original song! Too bad these losers don't realize it. The Beach Boys totally massacred the song so I guess Cher and Aaron saw nothing wrong with screwing up the words themselves. Charlie's words should NEVER have been changed in the first place!)


Re: Bruce Davis///NOEL

Posted by: "atwa13x" atwa13x@XXXXX.com atwa13x

Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:38 pm (PDT)



HOLD IT! Where did you get the idea I blamed YOU for ME getting drunk? I thought we already worked through this anyway. I asked you to disregard the previous post about this. By the way, I don't have pity parties. Too bad people always misunderstand everything I say. I'm going to ignore the rest of your rant because I don't think you clearly understood my previous post in the first place. I'm used to dealing with others getting in my face and flexing their muscles anyway. Like Charlie, I know all too well what it feels like to be a scapegoat. Looks like history is repeating itself here.

X (aka Noel)

--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "candygramma70" wrote:
>
> DON'T YOU DARE LAY THIS BLAME ON ME for YOU going to go get drunk. I lived with that growing up until my father, in a drunken stupor and saying it was my fault we couldnt go to his moms house for dinner because I was sick , went out got his shotgun and blew his freaking brains out and I was first on the scene when I was 10 years old? DONT you dare lay that on me. Take responsibility for YOUR choice YOUR ACTIONS to get sloshed.
> I also will NOT be invited to your pity party.
> Sorry if this is harsh but what you just said you were going to do and will be my fault totally pisses the freaking HELL out of me!


(This is carried on from a previous update but I thought my response to CG's original rant should be included here as well. I don't know if I said this before or not but I can see why her father blew his brains out. If I had a kid like HER, I would do the same thing! I feel sorry for that poor man because he obviously couldn't handle the burden of being that idiot's father. I sincerely hope he's in a better place now.)


Re: Susan Atkins Denied Parole

Posted by: "atwa13x" atwa13x@XXXXX.com atwa13x

Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:41 pm (PDT)



Why do you keep saying he was a killer when he didn't actually commit any of the murders?

X (aka Noel)

--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, Cher Stoll wrote:
>
> Yeah I know that but is the legal side of it. I was more or less thinking about the others that he was never convicted of and the ones none one has ever even heard about. He was a killer for many years. I suspect there are many unsolved cases he is responsible for
>
>
> Cher
>


(Cher as usual was misguided when she claimed that Charlie was a killer for many years. He NEVER killed ANYONE and it's only in the eyes of the haters that he is guilty of such a crime.)


Re: Bruce Davis///NOEL

Posted by: "David Paschal" paschald@XXXXXXX.net paschaldm

Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:03 pm (PDT)



Oh, god this is getting really tiring. Posts and cross posts. People
with their
feelings all over the place. It is time to grow up. If you don't like
what someone
says IGNORE the post! I have ignored about 30 in the last 2 hours I
have been
reading and rereading this same old story. Those two hours of life I'm not
getting back and they were wasted with all this stuff.

You did blame CG in a previous post, and if it hadn't been trimmed LOL,
it could have been pointed out. You were going to get drunk because of
all the stuff she was saying and doing to you. Then we have a series
of cross posts, factor in time delays in people reading their posts and
some hacker and some of this stuff is worked out and then get stirred up
again.

You have joined a group with over a hundred members of which about 10
are probably Manson supporters. Expect that you are going to be
called out on just about everything you say. If we were in a room talking
then some of this wouldn't repeat because someone else would heard it
said and not comment. Because this is email, people get a post, see a
totally outrageous post and they post back. Then someone else does the
same. Then you come in 12 hours later and see all the posts and feel
your being persecuted.

Let's stipulate NOW, Noel will never believe that Manson is in the least
bit guilty of anything except maybe encouragement. Noel you need to
stipulate that we believe the evidence presented at trail that Manson is
guilty of the crimes for which he was convicted. Now, we all understand
each other. Your not crazy, we are not crazy. Our prospectives are
totally different--- -in vast degrees.

Now, if you Noel make another outrageous claim expect to be called out.
If you think I am wrong and outrageous call me out----believe me I can
take it
and I am not going to get mad or my feelings hurt.

dp

atwa13x wrote:
>
>
> HOLD IT! Where did you get the idea I blamed YOU for ME getting drunk?
> I thought we already worked through this anyway. I asked you to
> disregard the previous post about this. By the way, I don't have pity
> parties. Too bad people always misunderstand everything I say. I'm
> going to ignore the rest of your rant because I don't think you
> clearly understood my previous post in the first place. I'm used to
> dealing with others getting in my face and flexing their muscles
> anyway. Like Charlie, I know all too well what it feels like to be a
> scapegoat. Looks like history is repeating itself here.
>
> X (aka Noel)


(DP (Dumb Puke) was WAY out of line here but of course, he just HAD to defend his hero CG! All of the Manson haters stick together regardless of how stupid they sound spewing the same tired old sensationalistic crap at nauseam. The asshole should have taken HIS OWN advice too and "IGNORED" my posts if he didn't like what I had to say. Of course, it's more fun for him and all the other Manson haters to stomp on me for my beliefs. They're so damn pathetic!)


Re: Just Wondering

Posted by: "candygramma70" candygramma70@XXXXX.com candygramma70

Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:34 pm (PDT)



-Oh come on you really dont think he didnt know what was going on?
Has he fessed up to anything at all?

-- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "atwa13x" wrote:
>
> What if there is nothing to fess up to? Do you think it's fair for him to admit to something he didn't do?
>
> X (aka Noel)
>
>
> --- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "candygramma70" wrote:
> >
> > -actually I would have more respect for him if he were to fess up. to his part in all this.


(Another idiotic misguided post by CG. Notice she couldn't even answer my original question? All she could do was dance around it by responding with another question. Charlie DID in fact admit to walking on the edges of the law but he also said that he's been doing that his whole life. It does NOT mean he orchestrated or carried out those terrible murders! Unfortunately, the haters are going to continue believing in the myth regardless of what sort of concrete proof is uncovered.)


Re: Susan Atkins Denied Parole

Posted by: "candygramma70" candygramma70@XXXXX.com candygramma70

Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:52 pm (PDT)



-oh granted they call it *making love not war*
that was free love days.
I am just saying it really isnot making LOVE because you donot LOVE the person you jus tmet 30 seconds ago.

-- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "atwa13x" wrote:
>
> Kasabian may be a liar for the most part but I think she even admitted her own self that it was called making love. She claimed that Charlie and her made love before. Even BUGliosi himself used the term "Making Love" while questioning Kasabian at the trial. Here are links which prove it:
>
> http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Linda_Kasabian


(Of course, CG thinks she's an authority on "love" but based on everything I have seen from her so far, the only "love" she knows about is what she has for HERSELF and for those that have their head so far up her ass they can see clear to the other side. Bottom line, I believe in "love at first sight" because I have experienced it myself. There are many others who have experienced it too so CG's claim about people not loving each other after just meeting is a load of crap. It doesn't matter if it's 30 seconds or 30 minutes. Love can happen at ANY time.)


Re: Just Wondering

Posted by: "WHITE RABBITT" whiterabbitt83@XXXXX.com whiterabbitt83

Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:53 pm (PDT)



but sharon i remember when heaven bashed u and u got pissed

--- On Mon, 9/14/09, candygramma70 <candygramma70@XXXXX.com> wrote:

From: candygramma70 <candygramma70@XXXXX.com>
Subject: [charlesmanson_ and_family] Re: Just Wondering
To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 8:38 PM



Because it is a yahoo group fer gawds sake. You should have been around during the Scott Peterson trial, the OJ Simpson trial, the Michael Peterson trial, Margaret Rudin ,Robert Blake, Michael Jackson. Wait until the Casey Anthony trial comes up. It is just a group you CAN attack the perps not the victims.

Now if this was a strictly PRO Manson group then sure no attacks This is both sides.

How many strictly PRO manson group that are active out there?

--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "atwa13x" wrote:

>

> Why is it Ok to bash anyone at all? I mean, maybe nobody should bash Manson, the so-called family, the victims, or each other period. Why make it fine to put only Manson and the so-called family up for slaughter?

>

> X (aka Noel)


(Excellent point made by "White Rabbitt"! CG lives by a double standard as she has proven MANY times currently and in the past.)


Well, that's all for today. I'll try to keep up with my weekly updates as time permits. Thanks for stopping by!

Sunday, July 4, 2010

No Update! 4th Of July!

In honor of Independence Day, there will be no update. However, there WILL be 1 next week. I'm celebrating right now and feeling quite good so I'm concluding this post now. Happy 4th Of July!