Tuesday, August 31, 2010
No Update This Week!
I have been taking care of some important business this week so there will be an update next week. Check back soon:)
Monday, August 23, 2010
Update For August 23, 2010.
Today's update starts off with some drivel from that lame asshole Eran:
I think Dennis found it very unconvenient to admit he actually was infatuated with Charlie's music and personality back in 1968. He did came into his senses after he realized Charlie just using him, but nevertheless, it's was hard for him to admit that in 1968 he did loved Charlie's music.
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "bredlau3" wrote:
>
> the charlie didn't have a musical bone in his body quote came years later. Dennis was very taken with Charlie back in the 60's until certain things happened.
>
> --- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "atwa13x" wrote:
> >
> > Ok, I just read somewhere that the studio Charlie recorded in was rented by Dennis Wilson. Later on when his rent was due to expire, he had someone else do his dirty work and have Charlie along with the others evicted. However, Wilson had casual contact with Charlie after that happened. He avoided them for a brief period but got friendly with them once again. It's also been said that Wilson claimed Charlie didn't have a musical bone in his body but yet he continued to sell him to others. To me, that's a direct contradiction of his previous statement but I figure his head was probably filled with all sorts of drugs at the time. Anyway, this is what I know so far. If anything else should be brought into light, I will certainly let you know.
> >
> > X (aka Noel)
(Eran's statement is so poorly written that it can't really be taken seriously at all. The spelling errors alone make him sound like a kindergarten student. I suppose not much better can be expected from a jackass like him.)
Oh, how can you say that, Aharon? This guy was the embodiment of mature behavior and he even passed in on to his desciples!
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "bredlau3" wrote:
>
> it's pretty documented how he acted in court though which didn't seem very mature.
>
> --- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "atwa13x" wrote:
> >
> > I have footage shot during the trial that shows a very mature Manson outside of the courtroom.
> >
> > X (aka Noel)
(Eran once again is being a total ass! That bastard obviously knows nothing else unfortunately. His jealousy over Charlie has no boundaries.)
How can anyone doubt he was the leader. In the FAMILY they called him father...
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From: lorriance waters <hobowaters@XXXXX.com.XX>
To: <charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com>
Date: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 05:44 AM
Subject: Re: [charlesmanson_ and_family] Re: Susan Atkins Denied Parole
there is truth in this statement , yes.
--- On Tue, 15/9/09, eran.gafni <eran.gafni@XXXXX.com> wrote:
From: eran.gafni <eran.gafni@XXXXX.com>
Subject: [charlesmanson_ and_family] Re: Susan Atkins Denied Parole
To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
Received: Tuesday, 15 September, 2009, 8:29 PM
The doubt the Mansonites tryto instill in other people's mind is that Manson took care not to kill most of his victims by hand and also that he supposdely didn't "order" anyone to kill.
Many people who orchestrated killing sprees didn't took the kill themsleves - take Hitler who didn't kill a single Jew himslef, or Pol Pot who didn't kill anyone himslef. Take the Mafia bosses - hardly do they kill someone at all. Take the radio broadcasters in Rewanda who didn't kill anyone personally but still are been charged of inciting people to kill. Take drug lords in Colombia or Mexico - only a few are dirtying their hands in actual killing; they leave that job to their subordinated, and more. Does the fact that someone didn't kill anyone but was the leader of the persons who did the actual kill and made tham - in anyway - understand that this is what he wants - ever made them innocent?
Also, as for leadership. You don't have to be officially been called a leader to be one or considered to be one. Take Stalin. His 0fficial title was "General Secretary. But a leader is the person all group members look up to listen to his words, to follow his sayings and fulfill his wishes. It doens't matter if he didn't gave orders militaty-style. It is enough to hint, to use agreed coded words and insinuate for the group members to understand what the leader wants of them. Therefore, when Manson told Bobby 'you know what to do" Bobby understod right away that Manson meant he should kill Gary
Even if Manson himself denies it, all the people present in the 1959 Ford leaving for the Tate residence heard Manson say the people in the house must be killed and it didn't took them a whole semester to understand that he wants them to kill the people in there.
Up until today people look up to MANSON, not to Tex (if he was the leader, as you claim, why don't you listen to what HE say, Noel?) People who were introduced to the group were told first about Charlie, not about anyone else and waited to meet HIM, not anyone else. When they gathered together by nighfall, whom did they listen to? To Tex? To Susan? To Sandy? No - they listened only to what CHARLIE had to say. They did only what CHARLIE told them to do. That's the fact. That's the truth and I'll keep saying it.
(More bullshit from Cher and Eran. BOTH of them need a deep reality check! So what if the so-called "family" referred to Charlie as their father? That does NOT mean he ordered ANYONE killed! Unfortunately in the eyes of the Manson haters, Charlie will forever be the villain who led his "family" on a murderous rampage regardless if he REALLY did so or not! The haters only see what they want to despite the truth staring them right in the face. Eran blew his credibility right out the window a long time ago and his grammar is extremely unimpressive too even though HE may THINK he's something special. My reply to this crap follows.)
So what? That doesn't prove anything to me. I think everyone who was ever in a commune back then referred to someone as "Father" or something similar. I think the group called him "Father" because he acted as head of the household. It doesn't necessarily mean he led them on their murderous rampage though.
X (aka Noel)
(For the record folks, someone can be the "head" of a household without necessarily being the "leader" of anyone. While the terms may be similar, "leader" suggests that the individual is a dictator and "head" is more on the nurturing side which indicates a parental position. I firmly believe Charlie acted as a "father" figure to his circle rather than a dictating "leader" as the Manson haters prefer to insinuate. Unfortunately, there's no getting through to them because THEY claim to know it all when in fact they DON'T KNOW SHIT!)
You are right, CG; it was part of breaking old norms and throw away inhibitions. This is why at first, Manson's ideas weren't sounded weird or dangerous to anyone of the young people who followed him or met him, since this was the norm back then. It doesn't change the fact that legally it was rape.
By ther way, I think Sanders wrote that rape was common in the late 60s, since the indoctrinations of young females back then was that to be a virgin is wrong and that if you don't want sex, you're a product of suborbia, middle-class upbringing, thus you should have sex even if you don't feel like.
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "candygramma70" wrote:
>
> -But back in that day in that place age didnt matter to them(male and gemale)
>
>
> -- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "eran.gafni" wrote:
> >
> > A rape is forcing someone to have sexual acts (of any character) and also having sex with underage girl. It's the fault of the lax prosecution and courts in 1967-9 that Mansnon wasn't been found guilty of rapes.
> >
> > --- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "candygramma70" wrote:
> > >
> > > -I suppose if done in prison it isnt called *rape*.
> > > But while he was never convicted of rape I suppose technically we cannot call him a rapist can we? Remember back in those times sex with underage while wasnt legal it was done.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "eran.gafni" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > He raped a fellow convict and also, legally, having sex with a girl under 16 is rape. He raped a girl from Risida and also he raped Sherry Cooper, both in 1969.
(I can see now why Eran and CG love each other so much. They both write like kindergarten students and they can't compose a logical paragraph without sounding like retards. Isn't it something how Eran plays judge, jury, and prosecutor against Charlie by accusing him of rape when in fact the man was NEVER found guilty of such a crime? It had NOTHING to do with a lax prosecution or courts either! Charlie was only arrested as a result of a follow-up investigation on the rape of the girl from Reseda as mentioned in the book by Ed Sanders "The Family" but NOTHING ever came of it and I STRONGLY disagree with the claims Sanders made regarding Charlie supposedly getting away with "encroachment" as he put it. As far as Sherry Cooper is concerned, she was NOT raped! It's true, the guys in Charlie's circle took turns with her as Paul Watkins indicated in the "Manson" film but he also stated that she was tripping on acid and after a while, she just let herself go. In other words, she gave herself freely to the men. Eran is a jackass plain and simple with NO LEGITIMATE facts to back up his rape claims against Charlie or anything else for that matter! Eran's just jealous because Charlie got more women than HE could EVER get in his entire lifetime. The only 1 Eran can get to touch him with a 10 foot pole is that old hag CG!)
GLORY BE TO GOD IN THE HIGHEST & ON EARTH PEACE GOOD WILL TOWARDS MY ASS!
(Hmmm........very interesting choice of words on Cher's part. I guess she couldn't take the heat that day LOL:) Too bad she didn't express herself this openly all the time while I was part of the damn group.)
OOOOOOOOOHH! YEAH BABY BABAY BAYBY!
(Uh huh! I think the idiot was cracking up when she posted this to the stupid group.)
I am going to let one of the bad emails come through. I am doing it to test. Its vulgar so I am going to put DELETE in the subject line. Do just delete without reading it.
Cher
(Unfortunately for Cher, this was a poor attempt at a cover for her sickness. I think Cher let those foul messages go through because she wanted to get a reaction from the other group members. Retarded individuals like her who are desperately seeking attention do this all the time after all.)
ACtually the one I ok to come through was not as bad as a couple so it wont be that bad to read.
Cher
(Of course the foul messages wouldn't be that bad to read in HER eyes because as the author, Cher is obviously damn proud of her sick accomplishments.)
Well, that's all for this week. As usual, I will be posting more next week so stay tuned:)
Re: (unknown)
Posted by: "eran.gafni" eran.gafni@XXXXX.com eran.gafni
Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:45 am (PDT)
I think Dennis found it very unconvenient to admit he actually was infatuated with Charlie's music and personality back in 1968. He did came into his senses after he realized Charlie just using him, but nevertheless, it's was hard for him to admit that in 1968 he did loved Charlie's music.
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "bredlau3"
>
> the charlie didn't have a musical bone in his body quote came years later. Dennis was very taken with Charlie back in the 60's until certain things happened.
>
> --- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "atwa13x"
> >
> > Ok, I just read somewhere that the studio Charlie recorded in was rented by Dennis Wilson. Later on when his rent was due to expire, he had someone else do his dirty work and have Charlie along with the others evicted. However, Wilson had casual contact with Charlie after that happened. He avoided them for a brief period but got friendly with them once again. It's also been said that Wilson claimed Charlie didn't have a musical bone in his body but yet he continued to sell him to others. To me, that's a direct contradiction of his previous statement but I figure his head was probably filled with all sorts of drugs at the time. Anyway, this is what I know so far. If anything else should be brought into light, I will certainly let you know.
> >
> > X (aka Noel)
(Eran's statement is so poorly written that it can't really be taken seriously at all. The spelling errors alone make him sound like a kindergarten student. I suppose not much better can be expected from a jackass like him.)
Re: Just Wondering
Posted by: "eran.gafni" eran.gafni@XXXXX.com eran.gafni
Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:47 am (PDT)
Oh, how can you say that, Aharon? This guy was the embodiment of mature behavior and he even passed in on to his desciples!
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "bredlau3"
>
> it's pretty documented how he acted in court though which didn't seem very mature.
>
> --- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "atwa13x"
> >
> > I have footage shot during the trial that shows a very mature Manson outside of the courtroom.
> >
> > X (aka Noel)
(Eran once again is being a total ass! That bastard obviously knows nothing else unfortunately. His jealousy over Charlie has no boundaries.)
Re: Susan Atkins Denied Parole
Posted by: "Cher Stoll" stollcher@XXXXX.com stollcher
Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:49 am (PDT)
How can anyone doubt he was the leader. In the FAMILY they called him father...
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------Original Message----- -
From: lorriance waters <hobowaters@XXXXX.com.XX>
To: <charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com>
Date: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 05:44 AM
Subject: Re: [charlesmanson_ and_family] Re: Susan Atkins Denied Parole
there is truth in this statement , yes.
--- On Tue, 15/9/09, eran.gafni <eran.gafni@XXXXX.com> wrote:
From: eran.gafni <eran.gafni@XXXXX.com>
Subject: [charlesmanson_ and_family] Re: Susan Atkins Denied Parole
To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
Received: Tuesday, 15 September, 2009, 8:29 PM
The doubt the Mansonites tryto instill in other people's mind is that Manson took care not to kill most of his victims by hand and also that he supposdely didn't "order" anyone to kill.
Many people who orchestrated killing sprees didn't took the kill themsleves - take Hitler who didn't kill a single Jew himslef, or Pol Pot who didn't kill anyone himslef. Take the Mafia bosses - hardly do they kill someone at all. Take the radio broadcasters in Rewanda who didn't kill anyone personally but still are been charged of inciting people to kill. Take drug lords in Colombia or Mexico - only a few are dirtying their hands in actual killing; they leave that job to their subordinated, and more. Does the fact that someone didn't kill anyone but was the leader of the persons who did the actual kill and made tham - in anyway - understand that this is what he wants - ever made them innocent?
Also, as for leadership. You don't have to be officially been called a leader to be one or considered to be one. Take Stalin. His 0fficial title was "General Secretary. But a leader is the person all group members look up to listen to his words, to follow his sayings and fulfill his wishes. It doens't matter if he didn't gave orders militaty-style. It is enough to hint, to use agreed coded words and insinuate for the group members to understand what the leader wants of them. Therefore, when Manson told Bobby 'you know what to do" Bobby understod right away that Manson meant he should kill Gary
Even if Manson himself denies it, all the people present in the 1959 Ford leaving for the Tate residence heard Manson say the people in the house must be killed and it didn't took them a whole semester to understand that he wants them to kill the people in there.
Up until today people look up to MANSON, not to Tex (if he was the leader, as you claim, why don't you listen to what HE say, Noel?) People who were introduced to the group were told first about Charlie, not about anyone else and waited to meet HIM, not anyone else. When they gathered together by nighfall, whom did they listen to? To Tex? To Susan? To Sandy? No - they listened only to what CHARLIE had to say. They did only what CHARLIE told them to do. That's the fact. That's the truth and I'll keep saying it.
(More bullshit from Cher and Eran. BOTH of them need a deep reality check! So what if the so-called "family" referred to Charlie as their father? That does NOT mean he ordered ANYONE killed! Unfortunately in the eyes of the Manson haters, Charlie will forever be the villain who led his "family" on a murderous rampage regardless if he REALLY did so or not! The haters only see what they want to despite the truth staring them right in the face. Eran blew his credibility right out the window a long time ago and his grammar is extremely unimpressive too even though HE may THINK he's something special. My reply to this crap follows.)
Re: Susan Atkins Denied Parole
Posted by: "atwa13x" atwa13x@XXXXX.com atwa13x
Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:20 pm (PDT)
So what? That doesn't prove anything to me. I think everyone who was ever in a commune back then referred to someone as "Father" or something similar. I think the group called him "Father" because he acted as head of the household. It doesn't necessarily mean he led them on their murderous rampage though.
X (aka Noel)
(For the record folks, someone can be the "head" of a household without necessarily being the "leader" of anyone. While the terms may be similar, "leader" suggests that the individual is a dictator and "head" is more on the nurturing side which indicates a parental position. I firmly believe Charlie acted as a "father" figure to his circle rather than a dictating "leader" as the Manson haters prefer to insinuate. Unfortunately, there's no getting through to them because THEY claim to know it all when in fact they DON'T KNOW SHIT!)
Re: Susan Atkins Denied Parole
Posted by: "eran.gafni" eran.gafni@XXXXX.com eran.gafni
Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:53 am (PDT)
You are right, CG; it was part of breaking old norms and throw away inhibitions. This is why at first, Manson's ideas weren't sounded weird or dangerous to anyone of the young people who followed him or met him, since this was the norm back then. It doesn't change the fact that legally it was rape.
By ther way, I think Sanders wrote that rape was common in the late 60s, since the indoctrinations of young females back then was that to be a virgin is wrong and that if you don't want sex, you're a product of suborbia, middle-class upbringing, thus you should have sex even if you don't feel like.
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "candygramma70"
>
> -But back in that day in that place age didnt matter to them(male and gemale)
>
>
> -- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "eran.gafni"
> >
> > A rape is forcing someone to have sexual acts (of any character) and also having sex with underage girl. It's the fault of the lax prosecution and courts in 1967-9 that Mansnon wasn't been found guilty of rapes.
> >
> > --- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "candygramma70"
> > >
> > > -I suppose if done in prison it isnt called *rape*.
> > > But while he was never convicted of rape I suppose technically we cannot call him a rapist can we? Remember back in those times sex with underage while wasnt legal it was done.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "eran.gafni"
> > > >
> > > > He raped a fellow convict and also, legally, having sex with a girl under 16 is rape. He raped a girl from Risida and also he raped Sherry Cooper, both in 1969.
(I can see now why Eran and CG love each other so much. They both write like kindergarten students and they can't compose a logical paragraph without sounding like retards. Isn't it something how Eran plays judge, jury, and prosecutor against Charlie by accusing him of rape when in fact the man was NEVER found guilty of such a crime? It had NOTHING to do with a lax prosecution or courts either! Charlie was only arrested as a result of a follow-up investigation on the rape of the girl from Reseda as mentioned in the book by Ed Sanders "The Family" but NOTHING ever came of it and I STRONGLY disagree with the claims Sanders made regarding Charlie supposedly getting away with "encroachment" as he put it. As far as Sherry Cooper is concerned, she was NOT raped! It's true, the guys in Charlie's circle took turns with her as Paul Watkins indicated in the "Manson" film but he also stated that she was tripping on acid and after a while, she just let herself go. In other words, she gave herself freely to the men. Eran is a jackass plain and simple with NO LEGITIMATE facts to back up his rape claims against Charlie or anything else for that matter! Eran's just jealous because Charlie got more women than HE could EVER get in his entire lifetime. The only 1 Eran can get to touch him with a 10 foot pole is that old hag CG!)
DELETE
Posted by: "Cher Stoll" stollcher@XXXXX.com stollcher
Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:51 pm (PDT)
GLORY BE TO GOD IN THE HIGHEST & ON EARTH PEACE GOOD WILL TOWARDS MY ASS!
(Hmmm........very interesting choice of words on Cher's part. I guess she couldn't take the heat that day LOL:) Too bad she didn't express herself this openly all the time while I was part of the damn group.)
F**K ME STANDING!
Posted by: "Cher Stoll" stollcher@XXXXX.com stollcher
Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:52 pm (PDT)
OOOOOOOOOHH! YEAH BABY BABAY BAYBY!
(Uh huh! I think the idiot was cracking up when she posted this to the stupid group.)
Folks
Posted by: "Cher Stoll" stollcher@XXXXX.com stollcher
Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:52 pm (PDT)
I am going to let one of the bad emails come through. I am doing it to test. Its vulgar so I am going to put DELETE in the subject line. Do just delete without reading it.
Cher
(Unfortunately for Cher, this was a poor attempt at a cover for her sickness. I think Cher let those foul messages go through because she wanted to get a reaction from the other group members. Retarded individuals like her who are desperately seeking attention do this all the time after all.)
Re: Folks
Posted by: "Cher Stoll" stollcher@XXXXX.com stollcher
Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:01 pm (PDT)
ACtually the one I ok to come through was not as bad as a couple so it wont be that bad to read.
Cher
(Of course the foul messages wouldn't be that bad to read in HER eyes because as the author, Cher is obviously damn proud of her sick accomplishments.)
Well, that's all for this week. As usual, I will be posting more next week so stay tuned:)
Sunday, August 15, 2010
Update For August 15, 2010.
In today's update, Eran makes a surprise return and tries to blame HIS bullshit on others:
I think youdo a very good job, I never claimed the other way. But there is a person who probably can't argue with me in straight levels so he/she's taking the easy way - stealing my identity and posting some untrue or even repulsive things. That is TROLLism. They mistaken, though. It won't deter me at all. It only shows that they can't post here real arguments in defending the acts and thoughts of Manson.
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "candygramma70" wrote:
>
> -In defense of anyone and everyone- I can guarantee you there are no TROLLS in here. We USED to have a couple but they were shown the back door.
> There are strong differences of opinions here and thats what keeps this group active. One of the best active manson groups on the net. show me another manson active group. LOL
> I do believe in having both sides. and as for sensitivity. far as I can see no one has really got down and dirty. I hate to rag on someone for MINOR infractions Its like pick your battles to rag on.
> If you feel we are too lax/too strict just email the owners and we will se what we can do.
>
>
>
> -- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "eran.gafni" wrote:
> >
> > Tjis wasn';t my post. It was that Troll, who I guess is one of the friends of the Mansonites here.
> >
> > --- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, David Paschal wrote:
> > >
> Yeah, exactly. Eran stop apologizing all over the place for what you say. You are double guessing yourself and don't. We need to get over this ultra sensitivity in this group.
>
> Also, as to anyone being negative or mean to the pro-manson people well I could go back and cut and paste the negative things that have been said about the reality manson people and it wouldn't be too nice. Difference is I don't care what they say.
> dp
(Yep, sucking up to CG is always the way to get into her good graces but it doesn't erase the cold hard truth. Eran DID send nasty shit to the group before but now chooses to deny it in order to save his worthless self. What an asshole!)
A rape is forcing someone to have sexual acts (of any character) and also having sex with underage girl. It's the fault of the lax prosecution and courts in 1967-9 that Mansnon wasn't been found guilty of rapes.
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "candygramma70" wrote:
>
> -I suppose if done in prison it isnt called *rape*.
> But while he was never convicted of rape I suppose technically we cannot call him a rapist can we? Remember back in those times sex with underage while wasnt legal it was done.
>
>
>
> -- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "eran.gafni" wrote:
> >
> > He raped a fellow convict and also, legally, having sex with a girl under 16 is rape. He raped a girl from Risida and also he raped Sherry Cooper, both in 1969.
(Charlie wasn't convicted of rape because it didn't happen! The girls gave themselves to him willingly period! Eran probably raped someone which is why he chose to push his guilt onto Charlie. The asshole sure seems to know enough about it after all! Eran spelled "Manson" wrong too. That just goes to show what an uneducated puke he is.)
First, I never said Bruce killed Zero, so I didn't contadict what Rabbit's "friend" said, so I don't see what the fuss is all about. I never claimed to know what happened to Zero, this is one thing I still look to find out about - whether he killed himslef or was murdered and - again - up util now nobody gave a good answer, and if someone claims to know everything but playing hide-and-seek, it means that:
1) either he doesn't know everything;
2) he imagines he knows something, and inventing also a strigns of know-it-all friends.
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "candygramma70" wrote:
>
> RABBIT WE DONOT REVERT TO THAT KIND IF TACTIC THAT IS NOT ALLOWED IN MY GROUP, I TAKE IT YOU HAVENT BEEN READING THAT NAME CALLING THE MEMBERS IS NOT ALLOWED. YOU COULD HAVE HANDLED WHAT ERAN SAID A WHOLE DIFFERENT WAY BY JUST SAYING MY FRIEND WAS NOT IMAGINARY INSTEAD OF THOIS WILD NAME CALLING RANT. HE IS NEITHER AN SOB ,IT WAS NOT SLANDER AND YOU DONOT KNOW IF HIS MOM KNEW WHO HIS FATHER WAS SO WATCH IT.
>
>
> --- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, WHITE RABBITT wrote:
> >
> > u take that back eran u s-o-b
> > thats slander, u better watch
> > who u call a lier u bastard
(See how CG came to her sweetie Eran's defense? She was so pissed because someone dared to speak out against her King Eran that CAPS was the only way she felt her point could be made. What a pathetic wimp she is!)
The doubt the Mansonites tryto instill in other people's mind is that Manson took care not to kill most of his victims by hand and also that he supposdely didn't "order" anyone to kill.
Many people who orchestrated killing sprees didn't took the kill themsleves - take Hitler who didn't kill a single Jew himslef, or Pol Pot who didn't kill anyone himslef. Take the Mafia bosses - hardly do they kill someone at all. Take the radio broadcasters in Rewanda who didn't kill anyone personally but still are been charged of inciting people to kill. Take drug lords in Colombia or Mexico - only a few are dirtying their hands in actual killing; they leave that job to their subordinated, and more. Does the fact that someone didn't kill anyone but was the leader of the persons who did the actual kill and made tham - in anyway - understand that this is what he wants - ever made them innocent?
Also, as for leadership. You don't have to be officially been called a leader to be one or considered to be one. Take Stalin. His 0fficial title was "General Secretary. But a leader is the person all group members look up to listen to his words, to follow his sayings and fulfill his wishes. It doens't matter if he didn't gave orders militaty-style. It is enough to hint, to use agreed coded words and insinuate for the group members to understand what the leader wants of them. Therefore, when Manson told Bobby 'you know what to do" Bobby understod right away that Manson meant he should kill Gary.
Even if Manson himself denies it, all the people present in the 1959 Ford leaving for the Tate residence heard Manson say the people in the house must be killed and it didn't took them a whole semester to understand that he wants them to kill the people in there.
Up until today people look up to MANSON, not to Tex (if he was the leader, as you claim, why don't you listen to what HE say, Noel?) People who were introduced to the group were told first about Charlie, not about anyone else and waited to meet HIM, not anyone else. When they gathered together by nighfall, whom did they listen to? To Tex? To Susan? To Sandy? No - they listened only to what CHARLIE had to say. They did only what CHARLIE told them to do. That's the fact. That's the truth and I'll keep saying it.
(As usual, Eran is a misguided asshole! He's just spewing the same shit as BUGliosi did when he misused the law so he could win his weak case against Charlie. Bottom line, the so-called "family" did what THEY wanted to do! They blamed Charlie to escape their own guilt because they weren't strong enough to go through the hell that HE has for THEIR crimes! Unfortunately, Eran and his Manson hating puppets will forever live in the delusion that Charlie was the "mastermind" or "leader" of those heinous murderers! I feel sorry for Eran and his followers:( They need to wake up!)
Wait, I take the last part of my message back. It's not a fact Charlie told anyone what to do. It's my opinion.
(Thankfully, Eran admitted he was wrong in this post. Too bad he couldn't have done that in all the others.)
You make it sound like the killers couldn't function on their own and Charlie's so-called "Brainwashing" in a sense lets them off the hook. Correct me if I'm wrong please.
X (aka Noel)
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, Cher Stoll wrote:
>
> I believe he brainwashed many. I still hold hope that on dyeing beds some will come out with what really happened but its doubtful. Maybe long after someone will find an older persons diary. Yet even then supporters will denounce it.
>
>
> Cher
(Cher seems so sure of herself. I feel sorry for her:( I don't believe Charlie brainwashed ANYONE in his circle because the biological parents did in fact have them first WAY before he ever came along. Charlie only gave them back to THEMSELVES as "Squeaky" said in the Hendrickson film titled: "Manson". The biological parents in the meantime were too busy programming their own children to be just like them with no independent thought.)
A person can do evil things without being evil themselves. I'm not blind Cher. I just see into things deeper than you and most others here.
X (aka Noel)
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, Cher Stoll wrote:
>
> So you admit this...how do you hold a blind eye to how evil he is?
>
>
> Cher
(Too bad Cher and the other Manson haters can't see beyond the dark shadow cast on Charlie and realize that he is a genuine person who can see things as they truly are.)
I think I have but I'll state my reasons for doubting them again. I don't usually like referring to anything Kasabian every said but in this case, I think it's necessary. She said in her testimony that they all WANTED to do everything and anything for Charlie. "Wanted" is the key word here. I believe everything they did was of their own free will. Charlie's influence in their lives may have contributed to what happened in a sense because they all felt they were doing what he asked. Sandy herself even stated this in an interview. However, that's NOT on the same lines as giving out orders. These were individuals who looked at Charlie as a Christ like figure in the same manner as others looked upon the Maharishi Yogi. I don't see much difference in the 2 except for the fact Maharishi Yogi had no hostile thoughts like Charlie. Maharishi Yogi had a better life than Charlie also. If someone is constantly exposed to negativity, it will of course be reflected in their words and actions. It becomes a part of their personality. I believe Charlie and the rest of his circle all felt the same way about life because they were all exposed to a great deal of negativity in their lives. Charlie more so than them but still, they all shared something in common which is why they became connected in the first place.
X (aka Noel)
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, Cher Stoll wrote:
>
> I only beg to differ cuz you never post why you doubt them.
>
>
> Cher
>
(My response to Cher is among the main reasons I'm not against Charlie like her and the other Manson haters are. I know what it feels like to be labeled and judged improperly!)
Stay tuned for more next week;)
Re: Just Wondering
Posted by: "eran.gafni" eran.gafni@XXXXX.com eran.gafni
Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:55 am (PDT)
I think youdo a very good job, I never claimed the other way. But there is a person who probably can't argue with me in straight levels so he/she's taking the easy way - stealing my identity and posting some untrue or even repulsive things. That is TROLLism. They mistaken, though. It won't deter me at all. It only shows that they can't post here real arguments in defending the acts and thoughts of Manson.
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "candygramma70"
>
> -In defense of anyone and everyone- I can guarantee you there are no TROLLS in here. We USED to have a couple but they were shown the back door.
> There are strong differences of opinions here and thats what keeps this group active. One of the best active manson groups on the net. show me another manson active group. LOL
> I do believe in having both sides. and as for sensitivity. far as I can see no one has really got down and dirty. I hate to rag on someone for MINOR infractions Its like pick your battles to rag on.
> If you feel we are too lax/too strict just email the owners and we will se what we can do.
>
>
>
> -- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "eran.gafni"
> >
> > Tjis wasn';t my post. It was that Troll, who I guess is one of the friends of the Mansonites here.
> >
> > --- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, David Paschal
> > >
> Yeah, exactly. Eran stop apologizing all over the place for what you say. You are double guessing yourself and don't. We need to get over this ultra sensitivity in this group.
>
> Also, as to anyone being negative or mean to the pro-manson people well I could go back and cut and paste the negative things that have been said about the reality manson people and it wouldn't be too nice. Difference is I don't care what they say.
> dp
(Yep, sucking up to CG is always the way to get into her good graces but it doesn't erase the cold hard truth. Eran DID send nasty shit to the group before but now chooses to deny it in order to save his worthless self. What an asshole!)
Re: Susan Atkins Denied Parole
Posted by: "eran.gafni" eran.gafni@XXXXX.com eran.gafni
Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:57 am (PDT)
A rape is forcing someone to have sexual acts (of any character) and also having sex with underage girl. It's the fault of the lax prosecution and courts in 1967-9 that Mansnon wasn't been found guilty of rapes.
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "candygramma70"
>
> -I suppose if done in prison it isnt called *rape*.
> But while he was never convicted of rape I suppose technically we cannot call him a rapist can we? Remember back in those times sex with underage while wasnt legal it was done.
>
>
>
> -- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "eran.gafni"
> >
> > He raped a fellow convict and also, legally, having sex with a girl under 16 is rape. He raped a girl from Risida and also he raped Sherry Cooper, both in 1969.
(Charlie wasn't convicted of rape because it didn't happen! The girls gave themselves to him willingly period! Eran probably raped someone which is why he chose to push his guilt onto Charlie. The asshole sure seems to know enough about it after all! Eran spelled "Manson" wrong too. That just goes to show what an uneducated puke he is.)
Re: Bruce Davis//RABBIT ATTACK RULES
Posted by: "eran.gafni" eran.gafni@XXXXX.com eran.gafni
Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:03 am (PDT)
First, I never said Bruce killed Zero, so I didn't contadict what Rabbit's "friend" said, so I don't see what the fuss is all about. I never claimed to know what happened to Zero, this is one thing I still look to find out about - whether he killed himslef or was murdered and - again - up util now nobody gave a good answer, and if someone claims to know everything but playing hide-and-seek, it means that:
1) either he doesn't know everything;
2) he imagines he knows something, and inventing also a strigns of know-it-all friends.
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "candygramma70"
>
> RABBIT WE DONOT REVERT TO THAT KIND IF TACTIC THAT IS NOT ALLOWED IN MY GROUP, I TAKE IT YOU HAVENT BEEN READING THAT NAME CALLING THE MEMBERS IS NOT ALLOWED. YOU COULD HAVE HANDLED WHAT ERAN SAID A WHOLE DIFFERENT WAY BY JUST SAYING MY FRIEND WAS NOT IMAGINARY INSTEAD OF THOIS WILD NAME CALLING RANT. HE IS NEITHER AN SOB ,IT WAS NOT SLANDER AND YOU DONOT KNOW IF HIS MOM KNEW WHO HIS FATHER WAS SO WATCH IT.
>
>
> --- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, WHITE RABBITT
> >
> > u take that back eran u s-o-b
> > thats slander, u better watch
> > who u call a lier u bastard
(See how CG came to her sweetie Eran's defense? She was so pissed because someone dared to speak out against her King Eran that CAPS was the only way she felt her point could be made. What a pathetic wimp she is!)
Re: Susan Atkins Denied Parole
Posted by: "eran.gafni" eran.gafni@XXXXX.com eran.gafni
Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:37 am (PDT)
The doubt the Mansonites tryto instill in other people's mind is that Manson took care not to kill most of his victims by hand and also that he supposdely didn't "order" anyone to kill.
Many people who orchestrated killing sprees didn't took the kill themsleves - take Hitler who didn't kill a single Jew himslef, or Pol Pot who didn't kill anyone himslef. Take the Mafia bosses - hardly do they kill someone at all. Take the radio broadcasters in Rewanda who didn't kill anyone personally but still are been charged of inciting people to kill. Take drug lords in Colombia or Mexico - only a few are dirtying their hands in actual killing; they leave that job to their subordinated, and more. Does the fact that someone didn't kill anyone but was the leader of the persons who did the actual kill and made tham - in anyway - understand that this is what he wants - ever made them innocent?
Also, as for leadership. You don't have to be officially been called a leader to be one or considered to be one. Take Stalin. His 0fficial title was "General Secretary. But a leader is the person all group members look up to listen to his words, to follow his sayings and fulfill his wishes. It doens't matter if he didn't gave orders militaty-style. It is enough to hint, to use agreed coded words and insinuate for the group members to understand what the leader wants of them. Therefore, when Manson told Bobby 'you know what to do" Bobby understod right away that Manson meant he should kill Gary.
Even if Manson himself denies it, all the people present in the 1959 Ford leaving for the Tate residence heard Manson say the people in the house must be killed and it didn't took them a whole semester to understand that he wants them to kill the people in there.
Up until today people look up to MANSON, not to Tex (if he was the leader, as you claim, why don't you listen to what HE say, Noel?) People who were introduced to the group were told first about Charlie, not about anyone else and waited to meet HIM, not anyone else. When they gathered together by nighfall, whom did they listen to? To Tex? To Susan? To Sandy? No - they listened only to what CHARLIE had to say. They did only what CHARLIE told them to do. That's the fact. That's the truth and I'll keep saying it.
(As usual, Eran is a misguided asshole! He's just spewing the same shit as BUGliosi did when he misused the law so he could win his weak case against Charlie. Bottom line, the so-called "family" did what THEY wanted to do! They blamed Charlie to escape their own guilt because they weren't strong enough to go through the hell that HE has for THEIR crimes! Unfortunately, Eran and his Manson hating puppets will forever live in the delusion that Charlie was the "mastermind" or "leader" of those heinous murderers! I feel sorry for Eran and his followers:( They need to wake up!)
Re: Susan Atkins Denied Parole
Posted by: "eran.gafni" eran.gafni@XXXXX.com eran.gafni
Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:58 am (PDT)
Wait, I take the last part of my message back. It's not a fact Charlie told anyone what to do. It's my opinion.
(Thankfully, Eran admitted he was wrong in this post. Too bad he couldn't have done that in all the others.)
Re: Susan Atkins Denied Parole
Posted by: "atwa13x" atwa13x@XXXXX.com atwa13x
Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:12 am (PDT)
You make it sound like the killers couldn't function on their own and Charlie's so-called "Brainwashing" in a sense lets them off the hook. Correct me if I'm wrong please.
X (aka Noel)
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, Cher Stoll
>
> I believe he brainwashed many. I still hold hope that on dyeing beds some will come out with what really happened but its doubtful. Maybe long after someone will find an older persons diary. Yet even then supporters will denounce it.
>
>
> Cher
(Cher seems so sure of herself. I feel sorry for her:( I don't believe Charlie brainwashed ANYONE in his circle because the biological parents did in fact have them first WAY before he ever came along. Charlie only gave them back to THEMSELVES as "Squeaky" said in the Hendrickson film titled: "Manson". The biological parents in the meantime were too busy programming their own children to be just like them with no independent thought.)
Re: Susan Atkins Denied Parole
Posted by: "atwa13x" atwa13x@XXXXX.com atwa13x
Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:12 am (PDT)
A person can do evil things without being evil themselves. I'm not blind Cher. I just see into things deeper than you and most others here.
X (aka Noel)
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, Cher Stoll
>
> So you admit this...how do you hold a blind eye to how evil he is?
>
>
> Cher
(Too bad Cher and the other Manson haters can't see beyond the dark shadow cast on Charlie and realize that he is a genuine person who can see things as they truly are.)
Re: Just Wondering
Posted by: "atwa13x" atwa13x@XXXXX.com atwa13x
Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:45 am (PDT)
I think I have but I'll state my reasons for doubting them again. I don't usually like referring to anything Kasabian every said but in this case, I think it's necessary. She said in her testimony that they all WANTED to do everything and anything for Charlie. "Wanted" is the key word here. I believe everything they did was of their own free will. Charlie's influence in their lives may have contributed to what happened in a sense because they all felt they were doing what he asked. Sandy herself even stated this in an interview. However, that's NOT on the same lines as giving out orders. These were individuals who looked at Charlie as a Christ like figure in the same manner as others looked upon the Maharishi Yogi. I don't see much difference in the 2 except for the fact Maharishi Yogi had no hostile thoughts like Charlie. Maharishi Yogi had a better life than Charlie also. If someone is constantly exposed to negativity, it will of course be reflected in their words and actions. It becomes a part of their personality. I believe Charlie and the rest of his circle all felt the same way about life because they were all exposed to a great deal of negativity in their lives. Charlie more so than them but still, they all shared something in common which is why they became connected in the first place.
X (aka Noel)
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, Cher Stoll
>
> I only beg to differ cuz you never post why you doubt them.
>
>
> Cher
>
(My response to Cher is among the main reasons I'm not against Charlie like her and the other Manson haters are. I know what it feels like to be labeled and judged improperly!)
Stay tuned for more next week;)
Monday, August 9, 2010
Update For August 9, 2010.
Today's update starts off with more stupidity from CG's honey Cher:
I stand by my last post. Dont want to have to continue to repeat myself. I have asked you and BLACK HARE several questions that have been ignored.
Cher
"One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It's very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project. . . . Now, the American people, if you put it to them about socialized medicine and gave them a chance to choose, would unhesitatingly vote against it." - Ronald Reagan
----- Original Message ----
From: atwa13x <atwa13x@XXXXX.com>
To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:17:25 PM
Subject: [charlesmanson_ and_family] Re: Just Wondering
The seed people CLAIMED he planted.
X (aka Noel)
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, Cher Stoll wrote:
>
> It was the seed he planted.
>
>
> Cher
(For the record folks, Cher was NEVER ignored. Nothing that stupid can be so easily dismissed hehehe:) The next thread is a bit lengthy because Cher is primarily full of hot air but I think it's still worth reading anyway.)
Yak yak yak...
You finally got it right, Larry!
Cher
"One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It's very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project. . . . Now, the American people, if you put it to them about socialized medicine and gave them a chance to choose, would unhesitatingly vote against it." - Ronald Reagan
____________ _________ _________ __
From: WHITE RABBITT <whiterabbitt83@XXXXX.com>
To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:17:56 PM
Subject: Re: [charlesmanson_ and_family] Re: Just Wondering
peep her name is cher
just dont ask for sonny
--- On Mon, 9/14/09, The Purple Peep <the.purple.peep@XXXXX.com> wrote:
>From: The Purple Peep <the.purple.peep@XXXXX.com>
>Subject: Re: [charlesmanson_ and_family] Re: Just Wondering
>To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
>Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 10:15 PM
>
>
> >
>But what do I get to call you???
>
>>On 9/14/09, Cher Stoll wrote:
>>> BLACK HARE
>>>
>>> You know my name. After many OFF LIST posts you sent to me and on list you
>>> have repeatedly called me by my wrong name. You finally got it right when
>>> you thought it would benefit you. It didnt even though you called me Cher
>>> Stoll. My name! You will get the same respect you give me. I may be a mod
>>> but I dont have to sit by idle.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cher
>>>
>>> "One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people
>>> has been by way of medicine. It's very easy to disguise a medical program as
>>> a humanitarian project. . . . Now, the American people, if you put it to
>>> them about socialized medicine and gave them a chance to choose, would
>>> unhesitatingly vote against it." - Ronald Reagan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________ _________ _________ __
>>> From: WHITE RABBITT
>>> To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
>>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:19:38 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [charlesmanson_ and_family] Re: Just Wondering
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> char making love is one thing but fucking is pure animal lust
>>>
>>> --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Cher Stoll wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: Cher Stoll
>>>>Subject: Re: [charlesmanson_ and_family] Re: Just Wondering
>>>>To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
>>>>Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 9:03 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>My only problem with that I dont recall how he *made love*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Did he actually make love? That was the term. Men that hate women usually
>>>> dont care and are harmful when having sex. I dont really know what was
>>>> said in them terms.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>He grew up with seeing women as whores and hitting and such. I am NOT
>>>> making an excuse I am just saying.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Cher
(Notice how when something is said that doesn't meet Cher's almighty approval she gets on the defensive by mocking the original poster? I'm of course referring to the way Cher went "Yak yak yak" in response to what "White Rabbitt" posted. Obviously, the tight-ass bitch can't take a joke! It's apparent the dumb bitch doesn't understand what "making love" is all about either probably because she only got bad animal lust from CG LOL:) I truly feel sorry for her.)
You as of know have the same respect you have shown me.
How are you tonight White Rabbit?
Cher
"One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It's very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project. . . . Now, the American people, if you put it to them about socialized medicine and gave them a chance to choose, would unhesitatingly vote against it." - Ronald Reagan
____________ _________ _________ __
From: WHITE RABBITT <whiterabbitt83@XXXXX.com>
To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:20:31 PM
Subject: Re: [charlesmanson_ and_family] Re: Just Wondering
your name is cher
(The reason I decided to include this post is because "Cherzypoo" obviously learned how to misspell words from her sweetie CG. There is no "K" in the word "Now" and it's too bad the idiot didn't know this before she posted it. What a dunderhead!)
-see ? thats the whole thing we all have our opinions.
Now what I might suggest you do is persuade us that Manson is not the nasty guy we think.
See you just keep saying we are wrong- prove us wrong. SHOW us a kinder nicer side etc. YOu have this Ergot person let us know what was said- help us to understand..
-- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "atwa13x" wrote:
>
> That's your opinion CG. I'm too tired to go on about this anymore. I'm finished. I'm obviously on a dead end street.
>
> X (aka Noel)
(I already tried to prove CG and her Manson hater buddies wrong but I was constantly dismissed as you can plainly see from the previous updates in this blog. There is just no getting through to those types who are so convinced in their own delusional minds that they're correct while the rest of us who know better are deemed as always being wrong.)
go figure....
Cher
"One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It's very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project. . . . Now, the American people, if you put it to them about socialized medicine and gave them a chance to choose, would unhesitatingly vote against it." - Ronald Reagan
----- Original Message ----
From: candygramma70 <candygramma70@XXXXX.com>
To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:26:25 PM
Subject: [charlesmanson_ and_family] HEAVEN IS MY LOVER!
I RAPED HEAVEN LAST NIGHT! YIPPIE KIYAY MOTHER FUCKERS!
(Yeah, go figure is right! This time, I can actually sympathize with Cher because her honey publicly announced she's having an affair with someone else. Nice huh?)
Real classy
Take care,
Jamie
(I can't say that I consider something like this as being "classy" by ANY means. SAD is more like it.)
Some people need to get off the cross.
Others may need the wood.
If you have words to say. Be prepared to have them said back at you. If not then dont bitch.
(I agree! It's HIGH time CG, Cher, and the rest of the ego-maniacal Manson haters got down off that cross they're on and stopped acting like Christ almighty!)
-Oh no way would I post it to the group. but I would let a couple certain people know what I know. Besides he wouldnot want me to either.
-- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, Cher Stoll wrote:
>
> Sharon, Please not bring it up. If people are curious let them join the other list. Ok? You have a choice if we let him bring garbage here. Lets make the right one.
>
>
> Cher
(Hmmm......this sounds like a conspiracy to me. Of course, CG is not above setting people up for things they didn't do. I should know. I was among her many victims in the pathetic group and off.)
WTF????
Cher
"One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It's very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project. . . . Now, the American people, if you put it to them about socialized medicine and gave them a chance to choose, would unhesitatingly vote against it." - Ronald Reagan
----- Original Message ----
From: candygramma70 <candygramma70@XXXXX.com>
To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:51:33 PM
Subject: [charlesmanson_ and_family] Re: HEAVEN IS MY LOVER!/Rabbit this is enuf-
-I know this is you and I also know you subscribed me to 9 porn sites and I think you are in need of some help. AND I know you used Jamies name for the Russian shit.
are you drugged drunk or just play one on the gorup
-- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, candygramma70 wrote:
>
>
> I RAPED HEAVEN LAST NIGHT! YIPPIE KIYAY MOTHER FUCKERS!
(I can certainly understand why Cher would ask "WTF?" because those are MY sentiments exactly. Perhaps CG came out of her Moonshine induced haze and realized that she let the cat out of the bag regarding her implied love affair with this "Heaven" person. So, she decided to blame an innocent person to cover it up. I can't say for certain but it's possible my theory could be correct. Only the old hag and "Heaven" knows for sure unfortunately. In any case, it's a damn shame that "White Rabbitt" got caught up in the bullshit drama again. I have seen CG in action and it's apparent to me that she would rather take the easy way out before accepting ANY personal responsibility for HER OWN actions. This is why I pity her so much.)
-the group owners list we have that was me posting the crap from here. or have I missed a post? no one but us can access that group.
-- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, Cher Stoll wrote:
>
> Yeah who ever it is also did it on the group owner list... If it can be proven it is him he is gone or I am. I dont play games like that.
>
>
> Cher
(Aha! CG finally admits the truth here! I wonder if she intended for this to go privately or to the stupid group? I have to say, it sure is nice seeing her admit to doing something for once. It's about damn time!)
AND MY BALLS FELL ON THE FLOOR.....AND MY BALLS FELL ON THE FLOOR....... .AND MY BALLS FELL ON THE FLOOR....... .AND....
(Oh, this is real charming! LOL:) Between CG and this dumb broad, I don't know who's worse.)
-Cher I dont think you were around then but Noel has it easy here. You should have seen me in my own Michael Jackson and Robert Blake groups. OMG!! We had staunch Jackson supporters that were 110% sure he was innocent and even if her were guilty he didnt thbink it as nothing bu tlove. .. and in Blake I was on the innocent side and about got killed.
I did not get swayed one inch. I said he would be found not guilty and he was. Some still think he did it. But it could have been one of her drug connections but anyway-
YOU know you are in the minroity and I really dont thoink people have been nasty to you. YOu wanna know nasty? Remember the group that JIMNY owned that I was in and you all torchured me.
When asked your opinion give it when asked to kind of show some links or proof of soemthing to back up what you are saying just do it.
Thats all anyone is asking.
-- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, Cher Stoll wrote:
>
> If you really believe it in your heart and walk away then you are not a real supporter. I believe you are. So then you take your stance.
>
> Thats what I would do anyway.
>
>
> Cher
(Cher originally posted this in response to something I posted to the stupid group. I couldn't resist featuring it here in this blog because of the bullshit line from CG: "Noel has it easy here". Yeah right! Now THAT is definitely laughable LOL:) I NEVER had it easy in that damn "charlesmanson"and_family" group and all of my past updates here prove it! If all the bullshit I went through there is what CG considers "easy", I would hate to see what she considers hard! I think she deserved to get tortured by that "Jimny" person also because the old hag doesn't know when to shut her nasty trap! Another thing, I AM a REAL Manson supporter but that does NOT mean I have to tolerate all the disrespect I received while being a member of that pathetic group! I know when to draw the line unlike the rest of them in there! They should definitely make a point to learn sometime.)
-jamie Jamie speak to me-- take a deep breath.. breathe breathe..
JAMIE??????? ??
oh now see what you have doen..ROFL
-- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, Jamie Mills wrote:
>
> I may faint
>
> Take care,
> Jamie
(Uh huh! Sure CG! You'll be fine some year LOL:) It's hard to believe she actually thought she was being cute or funny in this post. CG's humor is about as dry as the desert! Speaking of humor, the following posts are funnier than anything CG can muster up in her crippled mind.)
WOOFY WOOFY WOOFY! WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEOOOOOOOOOOO!
(Only 1 word can properly describe this asinine post. DRUGS!)
WHOOOOOAAAA! I STUCK THAT BROOMSTICK UP YOUR ASS! YEAHAHAHAH!
(The word "HORNY" can best describe this idiocy I think.)
-be put on moderation. everyone knows to top post-
and that is the way this group will be.
-- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, Cher Stoll wrote:
>
> Ok I cant keep up. I have been trying for days to do so but from here on out bottom posted (WHO HAVE REPEATEDLY BEEN ASKED NOT TO) will be ignored.
(Gotta love this fascist dictatorship on the part of these whiny old hags LOL:) How the hell they can possibly object to "bottom posting" as they so lovingly put it is beyond me!)
i sware on my mothers life i never hacked anything in the group
wr
(Thankfully, "White Rabbitt" spoke out in his own defense after being ignorantly accused by CG.)
That's all for today. I realize that I did a lot of poking fun at CG and the other idiots ("White Rabbitt" excluded) but I couldn't resist hehehe:) These posts featured in today's update were next in line anyway in all the "Digest" e-mails I saved from the stupid group so I simply took the opportunity to have some fun with them. I realize the idiots won't find it amusing but I stopped giving a damn what those losers thought long ago;) As usual, stay tuned for more next week.
Re: Just Wondering
Posted by: "Cher Stoll" stollcher@XXXXX.com stollcher
Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:34 pm (PDT)
I stand by my last post. Dont want to have to continue to repeat myself. I have asked you and BLACK HARE several questions that have been ignored.
Cher
"One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It's very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project. . . . Now, the American people, if you put it to them about socialized medicine and gave them a chance to choose, would unhesitatingly vote against it." - Ronald Reagan
----- Original Message ----
From: atwa13x <atwa13x@XXXXX.com>
To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:17:25 PM
Subject: [charlesmanson_ and_family] Re: Just Wondering
The seed people CLAIMED he planted.
X (aka Noel)
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, Cher Stoll
>
> It was the seed he planted.
>
>
> Cher
(For the record folks, Cher was NEVER ignored. Nothing that stupid can be so easily dismissed hehehe:) The next thread is a bit lengthy because Cher is primarily full of hot air but I think it's still worth reading anyway.)
Re: Just Wondering
Posted by: "Cher Stoll" stollcher@XXXXX.com stollcher
Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:38 pm (PDT)
Yak yak yak...
You finally got it right, Larry!
Cher
"One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It's very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project. . . . Now, the American people, if you put it to them about socialized medicine and gave them a chance to choose, would unhesitatingly vote against it." - Ronald Reagan
____________ _________ _________ __
From: WHITE RABBITT <whiterabbitt83@XXXXX.com>
To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:17:56 PM
Subject: Re: [charlesmanson_ and_family] Re: Just Wondering
peep her name is cher
just dont ask for sonny
--- On Mon, 9/14/09, The Purple Peep <the.purple.peep@XXXXX.com> wrote:
>From: The Purple Peep <the.purple.peep@XXXXX.com>
>Subject: Re: [charlesmanson_ and_family] Re: Just Wondering
>To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
>Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 10:15 PM
>
>
> >
>But what do I get to call you???
>
>>On 9/14/09, Cher Stoll
>>> BLACK HARE
>>>
>>> You know my name. After many OFF LIST posts you sent to me and on list you
>>> have repeatedly called me by my wrong name. You finally got it right when
>>> you thought it would benefit you. It didnt even though you called me Cher
>>> Stoll. My name! You will get the same respect you give me. I may be a mod
>>> but I dont have to sit by idle.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cher
>>>
>>> "One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people
>>> has been by way of medicine. It's very easy to disguise a medical program as
>>> a humanitarian project. . . . Now, the American people, if you put it to
>>> them about socialized medicine and gave them a chance to choose, would
>>> unhesitatingly vote against it." - Ronald Reagan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________ _________ _________ __
>>> From: WHITE RABBITT
>>> To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
>>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:19:38 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [charlesmanson_ and_family] Re: Just Wondering
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> char making love is one thing but fucking is pure animal lust
>>>
>>> --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Cher Stoll
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: Cher Stoll
>>>>Subject: Re: [charlesmanson_ and_family] Re: Just Wondering
>>>>To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
>>>>Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 9:03 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>My only problem with that I dont recall how he *made love*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Did he actually make love? That was the term. Men that hate women usually
>>>> dont care and are harmful when having sex. I dont really know what was
>>>> said in them terms.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>He grew up with seeing women as whores and hitting and such. I am NOT
>>>> making an excuse I am just saying.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Cher
(Notice how when something is said that doesn't meet Cher's almighty approval she gets on the defensive by mocking the original poster? I'm of course referring to the way Cher went "Yak yak yak" in response to what "White Rabbitt" posted. Obviously, the tight-ass bitch can't take a joke! It's apparent the dumb bitch doesn't understand what "making love" is all about either probably because she only got bad animal lust from CG LOL:) I truly feel sorry for her.)
Re: Just Wondering
Posted by: "Cher Stoll" stollcher@XXXXX.com stollcher
Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:41 pm (PDT)
You as of know have the same respect you have shown me.
How are you tonight White Rabbit?
Cher
"One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It's very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project. . . . Now, the American people, if you put it to them about socialized medicine and gave them a chance to choose, would unhesitatingly vote against it." - Ronald Reagan
____________ _________ _________ __
From: WHITE RABBITT <whiterabbitt83@XXXXX.com>
To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:20:31 PM
Subject: Re: [charlesmanson_ and_family] Re: Just Wondering
your name is cher
(The reason I decided to include this post is because "Cherzypoo" obviously learned how to misspell words from her sweetie CG. There is no "K" in the word "Now" and it's too bad the idiot didn't know this before she posted it. What a dunderhead!)
Re: Susan Atkins Denied Parole//Noel
Posted by: "candygramma70" candygramma70@XXXXX.com candygramma70
Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:37 pm (PDT)
-see ? thats the whole thing we all have our opinions.
Now what I might suggest you do is persuade us that Manson is not the nasty guy we think.
See you just keep saying we are wrong- prove us wrong. SHOW us a kinder nicer side etc. YOu have this Ergot person let us know what was said- help us to understand..
-- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "atwa13x"
>
> That's your opinion CG. I'm too tired to go on about this anymore. I'm finished. I'm obviously on a dead end street.
>
> X (aka Noel)
(I already tried to prove CG and her Manson hater buddies wrong but I was constantly dismissed as you can plainly see from the previous updates in this blog. There is just no getting through to those types who are so convinced in their own delusional minds that they're correct while the rest of us who know better are deemed as always being wrong.)
Re: HEAVEN IS MY LOVER!
Posted by: "Cher Stoll" stollcher@XXXXX.com stollcher
Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:45 pm (PDT)
go figure....
Cher
"One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It's very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project. . . . Now, the American people, if you put it to them about socialized medicine and gave them a chance to choose, would unhesitatingly vote against it." - Ronald Reagan
----- Original Message ----
From: candygramma70 <candygramma70@XXXXX.com>
To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:26:25 PM
Subject: [charlesmanson_ and_family] HEAVEN IS MY LOVER!
I RAPED HEAVEN LAST NIGHT! YIPPIE KIYAY MOTHER FUCKERS!
(Yeah, go figure is right! This time, I can actually sympathize with Cher because her honey publicly announced she's having an affair with someone else. Nice huh?)
Re: HEAVEN IS MY LOVER!
Posted by: "Jamie Mills" jlm30260@XXX.net jlm30260@XXX.net
Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:49 pm (PDT)
Real classy
Take care,
Jamie
(I can't say that I consider something like this as being "classy" by ANY means. SAD is more like it.)
Cross
Posted by: "Cher Stoll" stollcher@XXXXX.com stollcher
Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:46 pm (PDT)
Some people need to get off the cross.
Others may need the wood.
If you have words to say. Be prepared to have them said back at you. If not then dont bitch.
(I agree! It's HIGH time CG, Cher, and the rest of the ego-maniacal Manson haters got down off that cross they're on and stopped acting like Christ almighty!)
Re: Just Wondering// RABBITT
Posted by: "candygramma70" candygramma70@XXXXX.com candygramma70
Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:52 pm (PDT)
-Oh no way would I post it to the group. but I would let a couple certain people know what I know. Besides he wouldnot want me to either.
-- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, Cher Stoll
>
> Sharon, Please not bring it up. If people are curious let them join the other list. Ok? You have a choice if we let him bring garbage here. Lets make the right one.
>
>
> Cher
(Hmmm......this sounds like a conspiracy to me. Of course, CG is not above setting people up for things they didn't do. I should know. I was among her many victims in the pathetic group and off.)
Re: HEAVEN IS MY LOVER!/Rabbit this is enuf-
Posted by: "Cher Stoll" stollcher@XXXXX.com stollcher
Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:04 pm (PDT)
WTF????
Cher
"One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It's very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project. . . . Now, the American people, if you put it to them about socialized medicine and gave them a chance to choose, would unhesitatingly vote against it." - Ronald Reagan
----- Original Message ----
From: candygramma70 <candygramma70@XXXXX.com>
To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:51:33 PM
Subject: [charlesmanson_ and_family] Re: HEAVEN IS MY LOVER!/Rabbit this is enuf-
-I know this is you and I also know you subscribed me to 9 porn sites and I think you are in need of some help. AND I know you used Jamies name for the Russian shit.
are you drugged drunk or just play one on the gorup
-- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, candygramma70
>
>
> I RAPED HEAVEN LAST NIGHT! YIPPIE KIYAY MOTHER FUCKERS!
(I can certainly understand why Cher would ask "WTF?" because those are MY sentiments exactly. Perhaps CG came out of her Moonshine induced haze and realized that she let the cat out of the bag regarding her implied love affair with this "Heaven" person. So, she decided to blame an innocent person to cover it up. I can't say for certain but it's possible my theory could be correct. Only the old hag and "Heaven" knows for sure unfortunately. In any case, it's a damn shame that "White Rabbitt" got caught up in the bullshit drama again. I have seen CG in action and it's apparent to me that she would rather take the easy way out before accepting ANY personal responsibility for HER OWN actions. This is why I pity her so much.)
Re: HEAVEN IS MY LOVER!/Rabbit this is enuf-
Posted by: "candygramma70" candygramma70@XXXXX.com candygramma70
Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:16 pm (PDT)
-the group owners list we have that was me posting the crap from here. or have I missed a post? no one but us can access that group.
-- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, Cher Stoll
>
> Yeah who ever it is also did it on the group owner list... If it can be proven it is him he is gone or I am. I dont play games like that.
>
>
> Cher
(Aha! CG finally admits the truth here! I wonder if she intended for this to go privately or to the stupid group? I have to say, it sure is nice seeing her admit to doing something for once. It's about damn time!)
I GOT SHIT RUNNING DOWN MY LEG!
Posted by: "stollcher" stollcher@XXXXX.com stollcher
Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:36 pm (PDT)
AND MY BALLS FELL ON THE FLOOR.....AND MY BALLS FELL ON THE FLOOR....... .AND MY BALLS FELL ON THE FLOOR....... .AND....
(Oh, this is real charming! LOL:) Between CG and this dumb broad, I don't know who's worse.)
Re: Just Wondering
Posted by: "candygramma70" candygramma70@XXXXX.com candygramma70
Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:47 pm (PDT)
-Cher I dont think you were around then but Noel has it easy here. You should have seen me in my own Michael Jackson and Robert Blake groups. OMG!! We had staunch Jackson supporters that were 110% sure he was innocent and even if her were guilty he didnt thbink it as nothing bu tlove. .. and in Blake I was on the innocent side and about got killed.
I did not get swayed one inch. I said he would be found not guilty and he was. Some still think he did it. But it could have been one of her drug connections but anyway-
YOU know you are in the minroity and I really dont thoink people have been nasty to you. YOu wanna know nasty? Remember the group that JIMNY owned that I was in and you all torchured me.
When asked your opinion give it when asked to kind of show some links or proof of soemthing to back up what you are saying just do it.
Thats all anyone is asking.
-- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, Cher Stoll
>
> If you really believe it in your heart and walk away then you are not a real supporter. I believe you are. So then you take your stance.
>
> Thats what I would do anyway.
>
>
> Cher
(Cher originally posted this in response to something I posted to the stupid group. I couldn't resist featuring it here in this blog because of the bullshit line from CG: "Noel has it easy here". Yeah right! Now THAT is definitely laughable LOL:) I NEVER had it easy in that damn "charlesmanson"and_family" group and all of my past updates here prove it! If all the bullshit I went through there is what CG considers "easy", I would hate to see what she considers hard! I think she deserved to get tortured by that "Jimny" person also because the old hag doesn't know when to shut her nasty trap! Another thing, I AM a REAL Manson supporter but that does NOT mean I have to tolerate all the disrespect I received while being a member of that pathetic group! I know when to draw the line unlike the rest of them in there! They should definitely make a point to learn sometime.)
Re: Just Wondering
Posted by: "candygramma70" candygramma70@XXXXX.com candygramma70
Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:47 pm (PDT)
-jamie Jamie speak to me-- take a deep breath.. breathe breathe..
JAMIE??????? ??
oh now see what you have doen..ROFL
-- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, Jamie Mills
>
> I may faint
>
> Take care,
> Jamie
(Uh huh! Sure CG! You'll be fine some year LOL:) It's hard to believe she actually thought she was being cute or funny in this post. CG's humor is about as dry as the desert! Speaking of humor, the following posts are funnier than anything CG can muster up in her crippled mind.)
I IS A DOG RAPER!
Posted by: "Cher Stoll" stollcher@XXXXX.com stollcher
Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:44 pm (PDT)
WOOFY WOOFY WOOFY! WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEOOOOOOOOOOO!
(Only 1 word can properly describe this asinine post. DRUGS!)
BABY LET ME FUCK YOU RAW!
Posted by: "Cher Stoll" stollcher@XXXXX.com stollcher
Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:45 pm (PDT)
WHOOOOOAAAA! I STUCK THAT BROOMSTICK UP YOUR ASS! YEAHAHAHAH!
(The word "HORNY" can best describe this idiocy I think.)
Re: Just Wondering/RABBITT/anyone bottom posting WILL
Posted by: "candygramma70" candygramma70@XXXXX.com candygramma70
Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:48 pm (PDT)
-be put on moderation. everyone knows to top post-
and that is the way this group will be.
-- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, Cher Stoll
>
> Ok I cant keep up. I have been trying for days to do so but from here on out bottom posted (WHO HAVE REPEATEDLY BEEN ASKED NOT TO) will be ignored.
(Gotta love this fascist dictatorship on the part of these whiny old hags LOL:) How the hell they can possibly object to "bottom posting" as they so lovingly put it is beyond me!)
hacking
Posted by: "whiterabbitt83" whiterabbitt83@XXXXX.com whiterabbitt83
Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:37 pm (PDT)
i sware on my mothers life i never hacked anything in the group
wr
(Thankfully, "White Rabbitt" spoke out in his own defense after being ignorantly accused by CG.)
That's all for today. I realize that I did a lot of poking fun at CG and the other idiots ("White Rabbitt" excluded) but I couldn't resist hehehe:) These posts featured in today's update were next in line anyway in all the "Digest" e-mails I saved from the stupid group so I simply took the opportunity to have some fun with them. I realize the idiots won't find it amusing but I stopped giving a damn what those losers thought long ago;) As usual, stay tuned for more next week.