Sunday, January 31, 2010
Sunday, January 24, 2010
Monday, January 18, 2010
Brief Announcement! 1/18/2010
Sorry I was unable to post an update yesterday. I was out doing stuff and by the time I came back home, it was really late. So, I'm going to post my usual update next weekend. Check back soon!
Monday, January 11, 2010
Update For January 11, 2010.
Here's a little crap from CG:
Well Rabbit you wouldnot like my crime related group then because we are judge jury and executioner. we nit pick current cases.we have our theories on why Casey Anthony killed Caylee. most of us already have her getting the DP.. So yes this group CAN have the chance to be judge ,jury and executioner.
and many do jus tthat- opinion. theories.
I dont know what to tell you but if you want exact truth only told in here then you are going to have to cough up some facts.
THIS group will remain arm chair detective ,lawyer, judge and the jury.
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, WHITE RABBITT wrote:
>
> this group might not be a court of law but eran andjamie treat it like this group is a court of law and they are the judges
(CG obviously thinks she has the right to play judge, jury, and prosecutor on innocent people but she's wrong! NOBODY except qualified individuals in a REAL court of law can do that! Of course, CG needs to pass judgments on others to feel superior. Also, she allowed her precious Eran to do as he pleased in the group without any serious repercussions at all! That's like letting a murderer run the streets free without the death penalty or a life sentence being imposed. Too bad CG doesn't know how to run a group properly. If she did, there might be more members in there now instead of the measly little 68 she has currently. They're all probably just a bunch of CG's loyal puppets who toe the line whenever she cracks the whip. Too bad they can't think or stand up for themselves.)
-Personal stuff like what time you went poop is personal but you can generalize what you did.
if we didnt disucuss things that went on 40 years ago? this group would be dead and closed down
-- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, WHITE RABBITT wrote:
>
> i think that what i did at the log cabin is personal
> and why should people debate about what i ate for dinner or what we did at zappas house, 40 years a go matter
>
>
> --- On Mon, 8/3/09, candygramma70 wrote:
>
> From: candygramma70
> Subject: [charlesmanson_ and_family] Re: Did Manson ever actually meet Elvis Presley or Frank Zappa in person?
> To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 12:47 PM
-and THAT is NOT being a good member of this group.
>
> IF you donot want to discuss anything then I am wondering what is the point? If you LIVED witrh Zappa then you should be ready to post about it. Thing is people just have a hard time believing anything becayse y9ou say you were there but you won't even discuss anything.
(I have a few things to point out about this. First of all, White Rabbitt has the right to privacy if he wants it and I feel CG was wrong for pressuring him to tell her anything more. Too bad her group isn't dead and closed down now. Hopefully, it will be at some point though because it's nothing but a garbage dump full of parasites. Charlie's song "Garbage Dump" is perfect for the "charlesmanson_and_family" group and should be their theme song. The second point I want to make is regarding CG's statement about what is supposedly "NOT being a good member of the group." CG herself doesn't know what being a good group member is all about so she really has no right preaching to anyone else. CG NEVER practices what she preaches and I think it's best if she just shuts up completely. She's nothing but a big bag of wind and I look forward to the day when that balloon is deflated.)
No offense CG but eran is baiting people and yet nothing is being said to him. Only Rabbitt. Why is that? Sometimes, it's hard to ignore the ignorance certain individuals display you know.
X (aka Noel)
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, cg wrote:
>
> This is what this group is all about- members can post what ever they want-- what might be dribble to you may be somehting important to another.
> we just cant kick someone down for wha tthey post. Is better to just ignore if there cant be a civil post ..OK??
> Members ask questions,members make opinions. NO one was THERE when all this went on so all WE really know is what we hear,read and think.
>
>
> --- On Mon, 8/3/09, WHITE RABBITT wrote:
>
>
> From: WHITE RABBITT
> Subject: Re: [charlesmanson_ and_family] Re: Manson & Bobby B.~ What Was Their Relationship Really Like?
> To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 10:00 AM
>
>
> eran u must be insane to post the same dribble every day get a life u frickin low life
>
>
> --- On Mon, 8/3/09, eran.gafni wrote:
>
> From: eran.gafni
> Subject: [charlesmanson_ and_family] Re: Manson & Bobby B.~ What Was Their Relationship Really Like?
> To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 9:51 AM
> If you sick, go see a shrink...
>
>
>
> --- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, WHITE RABBITT wrote:
>
> >
>
> > look eran u post such crapola it makes me sick reading it, i dont have to prove nothing to u or anyone else i lived in la i was there u were not so get off your high horse eran
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > --- On Mon, 8/3/09, eran.gafni wrote:
>
> >
> > To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
>
> > Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 9:40 AM
> When YOU start to provide facts, you'll be taken seriousely.
>
>
> > --- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, WHITE RABBITT wrote:
> u dont know that as fact aaron u are talking nunsence
(Notice how CG jumps right in to save her precious Eran? I felt it was wrong which is what prompted me to question her about it. What truly amazes me the most is how CG goes on about "not kicking someone down for what they post" and "it's better to just ignore if there can't be a civil post" but yet SHE kicks Rabbitt down for what HE posts! CG obviously can't ignore either because she always comes to the defense of that weasel Eran whenever someone dares to challenge him. Pathetic puke!)
I'm sorry. I was wrong. I have no right to judge you nor anyone else. I had not realized my actions before now or how they effect others. Accept my apology please. Thanks!
(Now, this is a REAL shocker! Eran actually apologized for his misguided actions! This was NEVER a common occurrence with him because he always thought his words were golden. It's refreshing to see him actually take personal responsibility for his own actions.)
Jamie, Manson always knew how to twist around the facts so they'll suit his whims and his wish to remove himslef any responsibility to anything which happened back then.
1. Manson was the one wishing to go the desert.
2. Manson provided the drugs to the Family and supervised the amount they consumed in general.
3. Manson was the one toiling the girls in endless, sysiphic tasks like digging shelters, guarding, cleaning, cooking (and carrying the food the whole distance to the Lotus mine and to Mayers Ranch)in extremely heat conditions and into the night.
4. Manson led them in their robbery and stealing forays.
5. Manson forbid anyone from leaving, forcing them to stay - not the other way around. Those who showed signs they wish to quit were threaten boldly by killing and mutilations. Charlie in fact left the desert twice - in September and on Oct. 8, during that time the girls who were the most vulnerable took their chance and fled. Manson returned not because they pleaded him to come back but because he sensed all doors were shut infront of him after the TLB murders and because of his violent, weird conduct back then (he did, however, find time to go to Greg Jackobson's house and threaten his wife as well as to Danny Wilson's house, ditto, and Terri Melcher, ditto.
6. When the arresting aquad came on Oct. 12, he - like a real rat - abandoned his "kids" and went to hide, not caring a bit what would happen to them. His only care after the arrests were to keep the silence and trying to terrorise them into not cooperating with the cops.
This is how it happened and not as Manson twisted mind tells it.
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "jlm30260@.. ." wrote:
>
> As everyone knows, the last few months in the family are important in understanding what occurred. In Manson, His Own Words, CM speaks a great deal of the stress in the family. He stated that no one wanted to work, they were low on everything, including drugs. We all know that they were stealing and ripping people off to get by.
> He seemed to have been feeling a great deal of pressure and frustration.
> Did he want out of it? In the book, he states that he did, but they always convinced him to stay. So it makes me wonder if this is a part of why things happened as they did. That and some of the statements that were made, such as he only sent the ones who were expendable to the murders. Was he just trying to get rid of some of them?
> Maybe he just gave up and said to hell with everything? Could he have felt that he was losing them anyway, with Paul Crockett and all? In the book Manson outright blames drugs for the demise of the family, and everything turning dark and bad. They were doing enormous amounts of drugs. You can not control addicts, addicts only follow their addiction. That could have been another form of Manson losing control over the family.
> What do you guys think?
>
> Jamie
(More crap from Eran as usual. Jamie brings up some good points in her post but Eran being the typical fool he is only saw yet ANOTHER opportunity to slam Charlie rather than give any serious thought to what Jamie is talking about. Eran is a closed-minded bastard who only knows how to spew garbage about the 1 man who makes him question HIS OWN manhood. I have stated similar things before in previous blog entries but I truly believe this is the case with Eran which is why I can't stress my feelings enough. It would be in Eran's best interest I think to open his eyes and see BOTH sides of the situation but unfortunately, his brain is too clogged up with misguided crud to see anything else except his own delusions. He just can't see past all the lies which is a damn shame:( Perhaps someday, he will wake up to the truth.)
Manson was never capable of doign such elaborate analysis. He was ego-centric and so didn't care if they loved him, as long as he had control on them. He didn't give a damnabout them or their fate at any time.
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "jlm30260@.. ." wrote:
>
> Just to add: I think it is very possible that one day, when they had little or no dope, Manson may have looked around and realized that the people did not love him~ They loved the drugs. Maybe he even felt used and hurt, in a twisted way his use of drugs had bitten him on the ass.
> Jamie
(Yet MORE misguided crap from Eran! He just never learns! Everything he said about Charlie is only what's deeply rooted inside HIS OWN self! I doubt Eran is capable of doing ANY sort of elaborate analysis on life and HE is the 1 who is ego-centric! Of course, he has to pass the buck onto Charlie as usual to release all responsibility off HIMSELF. This is nothing new in Eran's warped little world!)
Manson could have split away easily from the Family "business" just like that, nobody would have stopped him and nobody would intimidate him had he chosen to do so.
Manson, unlike the others, was free to go and come as he pleased.
(More of the same crap from the vicious soul of Eran. What a moron!)
That's all for today. Check back this weekend for my next update.
Re: Did Mary Brunner Betray Manson?
Posted by: "candygramma70" candygramma70@XXXXX.com
Mon Aug 3, 2009 4:21 pm (PDT)
Well Rabbit you wouldnot like my crime related group then because we are judge jury and executioner. we nit pick current cases.we have our theories on why Casey Anthony killed Caylee. most of us already have her getting the DP.. So yes this group CAN have the chance to be judge ,jury and executioner.
and many do jus tthat- opinion. theories.
I dont know what to tell you but if you want exact truth only told in here then you are going to have to cough up some facts.
THIS group will remain arm chair detective ,lawyer, judge and the jury.
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, WHITE RABBITT
>
> this group might not be a court of law but eran andjamie treat it like this group is a court of law and they are the judges
(CG obviously thinks she has the right to play judge, jury, and prosecutor on innocent people but she's wrong! NOBODY except qualified individuals in a REAL court of law can do that! Of course, CG needs to pass judgments on others to feel superior. Also, she allowed her precious Eran to do as he pleased in the group without any serious repercussions at all! That's like letting a murderer run the streets free without the death penalty or a life sentence being imposed. Too bad CG doesn't know how to run a group properly. If she did, there might be more members in there now instead of the measly little 68 she has currently. They're all probably just a bunch of CG's loyal puppets who toe the line whenever she cracks the whip. Too bad they can't think or stand up for themselves.)
Re: Did Manson ever actually meet Elvis Presley or Frank Zappa in pe
Posted by: "candygramma70" candygramma70@XXXXX.com
Mon Aug 3, 2009 3:55 pm (PDT)
-Personal stuff like what time you went poop is personal but you can generalize what you did.
if we didnt disucuss things that went on 40 years ago? this group would be dead and closed down
-- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, WHITE RABBITT
>
> i think that what i did at the log cabin is personal
> and why should people debate about what i ate for dinner or what we did at zappas house, 40 years a go matter
>
>
> --- On Mon, 8/3/09, candygramma70
>
> From: candygramma70
> Subject: [charlesmanson_ and_family] Re: Did Manson ever actually meet Elvis Presley or Frank Zappa in person?
> To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 12:47 PM
-and THAT is NOT being a good member of this group.
>
> IF you donot want to discuss anything then I am wondering what is the point? If you LIVED witrh Zappa then you should be ready to post about it. Thing is people just have a hard time believing anything becayse y9ou say you were there but you won't even discuss anything.
(I have a few things to point out about this. First of all, White Rabbitt has the right to privacy if he wants it and I feel CG was wrong for pressuring him to tell her anything more. Too bad her group isn't dead and closed down now. Hopefully, it will be at some point though because it's nothing but a garbage dump full of parasites. Charlie's song "Garbage Dump" is perfect for the "charlesmanson_and_family" group and should be their theme song. The second point I want to make is regarding CG's statement about what is supposedly "NOT being a good member of the group." CG herself doesn't know what being a good group member is all about so she really has no right preaching to anyone else. CG NEVER practices what she preaches and I think it's best if she just shuts up completely. She's nothing but a big bag of wind and I look forward to the day when that balloon is deflated.)
Re: Manson & Bobby B.~ What Was Their Relationship Really Like?
Posted by: "X" atwa13x@XXXXX.com
Tue Aug 4, 2009 1:54 am (PDT)
No offense CG but eran is baiting people and yet nothing is being said to him. Only Rabbitt. Why is that? Sometimes, it's hard to ignore the ignorance certain individuals display you know.
X (aka Noel)
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, cg
>
> This is what this group is all about- members can post what ever they want-- what might be dribble to you may be somehting important to another.
> we just cant kick someone down for wha tthey post. Is better to just ignore if there cant be a civil post ..OK??
> Members ask questions,members make opinions. NO one was THERE when all this went on so all WE really know is what we hear,read and think.
>
>
> --- On Mon, 8/3/09, WHITE RABBITT
>
>
> From: WHITE RABBITT
> Subject: Re: [charlesmanson_ and_family] Re: Manson & Bobby B.~ What Was Their Relationship Really Like?
> To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 10:00 AM
>
>
> eran u must be insane to post the same dribble every day get a life u frickin low life
>
>
> --- On Mon, 8/3/09, eran.gafni
>
> From: eran.gafni
> Subject: [charlesmanson_ and_family] Re: Manson & Bobby B.~ What Was Their Relationship Really Like?
> To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 9:51 AM
> If you sick, go see a shrink...
>
>
>
> --- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, WHITE RABBITT
>
> >
>
> > look eran u post such crapola it makes me sick reading it, i dont have to prove nothing to u or anyone else i lived in la i was there u were not so get off your high horse eran
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > --- On Mon, 8/3/09, eran.gafni
>
> >
> > To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
>
> > Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 9:40 AM
> When YOU start to provide facts, you'll be taken seriousely.
>
>
> > --- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, WHITE RABBITT
> u dont know that as fact aaron u are talking nunsence
(Notice how CG jumps right in to save her precious Eran? I felt it was wrong which is what prompted me to question her about it. What truly amazes me the most is how CG goes on about "not kicking someone down for what they post" and "it's better to just ignore if there can't be a civil post" but yet SHE kicks Rabbitt down for what HE posts! CG obviously can't ignore either because she always comes to the defense of that weasel Eran whenever someone dares to challenge him. Pathetic puke!)
Re: Did Mary Brunner Betray Manson?
Posted by: "eran.gafni" eran.gafni@XXXXX.com
Tue Aug 4, 2009 2:12 am (PDT)
I'm sorry. I was wrong. I have no right to judge you nor anyone else. I had not realized my actions before now or how they effect others. Accept my apology please. Thanks!
(Now, this is a REAL shocker! Eran actually apologized for his misguided actions! This was NEVER a common occurrence with him because he always thought his words were golden. It's refreshing to see him actually take personal responsibility for his own actions.)
Re: Manson's State Of Mind - The Last 3 Months
Posted by: "eran.gafni" eran.gafni@XXXXX.com
Thu Aug 6, 2009 5:27 am (PDT)
Jamie, Manson always knew how to twist around the facts so they'll suit his whims and his wish to remove himslef any responsibility to anything which happened back then.
1. Manson was the one wishing to go the desert.
2. Manson provided the drugs to the Family and supervised the amount they consumed in general.
3. Manson was the one toiling the girls in endless, sysiphic tasks like digging shelters, guarding, cleaning, cooking (and carrying the food the whole distance to the Lotus mine and to Mayers Ranch)in extremely heat conditions and into the night.
4. Manson led them in their robbery and stealing forays.
5. Manson forbid anyone from leaving, forcing them to stay - not the other way around. Those who showed signs they wish to quit were threaten boldly by killing and mutilations. Charlie in fact left the desert twice - in September and on Oct. 8, during that time the girls who were the most vulnerable took their chance and fled. Manson returned not because they pleaded him to come back but because he sensed all doors were shut infront of him after the TLB murders and because of his violent, weird conduct back then (he did, however, find time to go to Greg Jackobson's house and threaten his wife as well as to Danny Wilson's house, ditto, and Terri Melcher, ditto.
6. When the arresting aquad came on Oct. 12, he - like a real rat - abandoned his "kids" and went to hide, not caring a bit what would happen to them. His only care after the arrests were to keep the silence and trying to terrorise them into not cooperating with the cops.
This is how it happened and not as Manson twisted mind tells it.
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "jlm30260@.. ."
>
> As everyone knows, the last few months in the family are important in understanding what occurred. In Manson, His Own Words, CM speaks a great deal of the stress in the family. He stated that no one wanted to work, they were low on everything, including drugs. We all know that they were stealing and ripping people off to get by.
> He seemed to have been feeling a great deal of pressure and frustration.
> Did he want out of it? In the book, he states that he did, but they always convinced him to stay. So it makes me wonder if this is a part of why things happened as they did. That and some of the statements that were made, such as he only sent the ones who were expendable to the murders. Was he just trying to get rid of some of them?
> Maybe he just gave up and said to hell with everything? Could he have felt that he was losing them anyway, with Paul Crockett and all? In the book Manson outright blames drugs for the demise of the family, and everything turning dark and bad. They were doing enormous amounts of drugs. You can not control addicts, addicts only follow their addiction. That could have been another form of Manson losing control over the family.
> What do you guys think?
>
> Jamie
(More crap from Eran as usual. Jamie brings up some good points in her post but Eran being the typical fool he is only saw yet ANOTHER opportunity to slam Charlie rather than give any serious thought to what Jamie is talking about. Eran is a closed-minded bastard who only knows how to spew garbage about the 1 man who makes him question HIS OWN manhood. I have stated similar things before in previous blog entries but I truly believe this is the case with Eran which is why I can't stress my feelings enough. It would be in Eran's best interest I think to open his eyes and see BOTH sides of the situation but unfortunately, his brain is too clogged up with misguided crud to see anything else except his own delusions. He just can't see past all the lies which is a damn shame:( Perhaps someday, he will wake up to the truth.)
Re: Manson's State Of Mind - The Last 3 Months
Posted by: "eran.gafni" eran.gafni@XXXXX.com
Thu Aug 6, 2009 5:28 am (PDT)
Manson was never capable of doign such elaborate analysis. He was ego-centric and so didn't care if they loved him, as long as he had control on them. He didn't give a damnabout them or their fate at any time.
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "jlm30260@.. ."
>
> Just to add: I think it is very possible that one day, when they had little or no dope, Manson may have looked around and realized that the people did not love him~ They loved the drugs. Maybe he even felt used and hurt, in a twisted way his use of drugs had bitten him on the ass.
> Jamie
(Yet MORE misguided crap from Eran! He just never learns! Everything he said about Charlie is only what's deeply rooted inside HIS OWN self! I doubt Eran is capable of doing ANY sort of elaborate analysis on life and HE is the 1 who is ego-centric! Of course, he has to pass the buck onto Charlie as usual to release all responsibility off HIMSELF. This is nothing new in Eran's warped little world!)
Re: Manson's State Of Mind - The Last 3 Months
Posted by: "eran.gafni" eran.gafni@XXXXX.com
Thu Aug 6, 2009 5:53 am (PDT)
Manson could have split away easily from the Family "business" just like that, nobody would have stopped him and nobody would intimidate him had he chosen to do so.
Manson, unlike the others, was free to go and come as he pleased.
(More of the same crap from the vicious soul of Eran. What a moron!)
That's all for today. Check back this weekend for my next update.
Sunday, January 10, 2010
Brief Update For January 10, 2010.
This is only going to be short update due to the fact I have been busy all day. I will be posting a more detailed update tomorrow so please be sure to check back. For today, I would like to comment on the following post in CG's lame blog:
Manson Group is Busy
Manson Group is Busy
I hear thru the grapevine this group http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/charlesmanson_and_family/
is deader that a doornail/ roflmao.
132 posts and it isnt even Jan 15th.
I am amazed at the activity we do have there because this case is 40 yrs old yet the members always seem to have something to say./
Course I am not and never have been concerned about *NUMBERS* of posts .In some groups there are so many posts members tend to miss most of them.
Since the memberlist has been scaled down it is much nicer in there. There are a couple others I am thinking of showing the back door but right now all is well. Yes I know *they* still have someone feeding the posts to them but hey , that just makes our group seem more sepcial they want to take the time to have someone feed them. and then post our posts in their blog. I am glad *I* am and the group is so important to them
But this isn't about *them*
I don't care what they say and or do. that's on *them*. and their friedn from another blog.
All I care about is winter being over!!
Hey its clear up to 19 and not even noon.
Thanks to all of you that read this- I see we get many hits.
Michigan, Ohio,Georgia, Texas,Canada.. makes me feeel so special.
You all have a really great day. No big rants so far today.
excpet cold and snow..
is deader that a doornail/ roflmao.
132 posts and it isnt even Jan 15th.
I am amazed at the activity we do have there because this case is 40 yrs old yet the members always seem to have something to say./
Course I am not and never have been concerned about *NUMBERS* of posts .In some groups there are so many posts members tend to miss most of them.
Since the memberlist has been scaled down it is much nicer in there. There are a couple others I am thinking of showing the back door but right now all is well. Yes I know *they* still have someone feeding the posts to them but hey , that just makes our group seem more sepcial they want to take the time to have someone feed them. and then post our posts in their blog. I am glad *I* am and the group is so important to them
But this isn't about *them*
I don't care what they say and or do. that's on *them*. and their friedn from another blog.
All I care about is winter being over!!
Hey its clear up to 19 and not even noon.
Thanks to all of you that read this- I see we get many hits.
Michigan, Ohio,Georgia, Texas,Canada.. makes me feeel so special.
You all have a really great day. No big rants so far today.
excpet cold and snow..
Wednesday, January 6, 2010
Important Message!
I would like at this time to post a retraction about all the things I posted here that had to do with Jamie who was previously in the "charlesmanson_and_family" group. Her and I have worked out our differences and everything is fine now:) CG has shown herself to be a nasty, mean spirited cyber-bully who tried to set ME up for things that SHE in fact was doing and Jamie (jlm30260) among others have woken up so it's time for letting go. Also, CG's lame group is being driven into the ground from what I have heard which is a good thing:) I will still post my regular updates here but it's only until CG's group is officially gone permanently. Once that day comes, everything will be as it should and there will be no longer a need to post about "charlesmanson_and_family" in this blog. Hopefully, it won't be long now;)
Tuesday, January 5, 2010
Announcement! New Blog For The Trolls!
This will be the formal blog used for exposing the Trolls:
http://trollsexposed-x.blogspot.com/
I vowed not to mention the drama here again and I intend to stand by that statement which is why I created an alternate place for it. Thanks for reading!
http://trollsexposed-x.blogspot.com/
I vowed not to mention the drama here again and I intend to stand by that statement which is why I created an alternate place for it. Thanks for reading!
Sunday, January 3, 2010
January 3, 2010 Update!
Before I begin, I want to let all my readers know that I'm doing fine in spite of the recent turn of events involving CG's main Troll Linda. I haven't seen her blog since I last stated here that I wouldn't be going back there but of course I have heard things from others who are following that garbage. However, it's old news and nothing more. I don't really care what she or her pathetic cronies say about me and I'm not bothered by what they post about in their blogs either since I no longer read them in the first place. It's a free country after all. I know I'm better than that which is what counts the most. Anyway, here's my main update.
Eran~ Wow~ You are impressive! It must have made CM look very weak in his "followers" eyes. Here this old miner outsmarts the great JC! LOL.
I am surprised CM did not kill him, PC must have gotten out just in time.
Jamie
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "eran.gafni" wrote:
>
> Both Sanders and Bugliosi depict him as one of the first Scietologists in the U.S. who met directly with Ron L. Hubbard and learned from him. After that he went to Death Valley to look for gold and settled in the Barker Ranch, where he met Manson. Since Manson was also practicing Scientology, Crocket probably noticed he is faking and despite acquiring several controlling tools and analysing from it, he wasn't a real "clear" person so Krocket used that against Manson.
>
> After PC learned of Manson dominance over his group and his supersticious mind, he "sent" mental and mind "messages" to Charlie and succeeded in concincing him that PC is stroger than he - and it was the first time in almost 2 years that someone managed to move Charlei away from anyplace without using the police or actually threatening Charlie. Also, Crokcet managed to pull away from Charlie some of his loyal members and thus proved he has mote mental strength and influence on people than Charlie.
>
> Finally Charlie did mamaged to intimidate Crocket and forced him to leave but it was only after the killings when he was well armed and shed all civilized manner. Crokcet left by night and later was a very rich source for the police and for the prosecution, since he was an outsider who was able to watch the Family in its most extreme paranoya situation right before its demise.
(Naturally, a fan of Eran would say he's impressive. I say he's a joke! His bashing of Manson only proves just how pathetic Eran is and how jealous he is of the man. I don't believe for 1 minute that this Crocket character is stronger than Charlie. I say this because HE never had to spend a day surviving behind bars like Charlie has. Charlie has endured more pain and hell than most people in the same situation EVER have! I admire the man's strength in spite of it all.)
Manson conradicted himself many times. He used to preach top his flock against owning things or against the establishent but he slept seperately from them and later on go to the Strip to entangle with those same people he preached against before.
That includes blacks also - he dealt drugs with black and while banning his flock to listen to black music, went to hear it himself, and even mixed Blues elements in his music.
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, lorriance waters wrote:
>
> but if manson was so racist, why did he attend LOVE gigs regularly on the strip, with three LOVE members being black, including the lead singer guitrist arthur lee, his attendance at their gigs, is written in a book penned by arthur lee.
(Good question exactly by Lorriance. Personally, I think Eran is just full of crap again and wanting to believe Manson was a racist. Eran's type always have to believe the worst about the ones they're intimidated by to feel important inside.)
When YOU start to provide facts, you'll be taken seriousely.
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, WHITE RABBITT wrote:
>
> u dont know that as fact aaron u are talking nunsence
(Even the sicko "White Rabbitt" pegged Eran correctly here. It's amazing how Eran requested that Rabbitt provide facts when in fact it couldn't be done on HIS OWN end! VERY hypocritical!)
again wrong Aaron....Rabbit you are talking to ERAN
(Yeah, I know Rabbitt used the wrong name when posting but the idiot still called Eran out correctly. So, at least he did 1 thing right. Pay close attention to this conversation coming up next.)
Why, you afraid she'll say she doesn't recall seeing any furry guy with a long, dirty tongue runnign around Spahn?
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, WHITE RABBITT wrote:
>
> Maybe the very fact she did testified (while other Family members
> refused), but I wish we could contact her and ask her about it. I think
> she's one of the most interesting figures in the Family and like Susan,
> she can tell alot about Manson's mind.
>
>
> see aaron mother mary does not owe u a explanation, her thoughts on her youth with charlie are non of your bisness
> sewe this is the kind of post by a member of this group that makes me sick, what right does anyone in this group have to wanna bug mary to ask her stupid quistions let her and the other enjoy there privatecy
becouse she has a right to privatecy and does not owe u squat
Well, I bet she'll be more happy to speak with me than with you...
Well, I bet she'll be more happy to speak with me than with you...
eran u got no right to even dars thing anyone from the family should talk to u, your just a dude in israel who got nothing better to do with his time then harrass people like mother mary with stupid insane questions, a life eran leave the family alone
-Rabbit IMO you are over reacting.I doubr anyone has the address of her anyway so it is a MOOT subject. Do they have a right to their privacy? Of course they do. BUT you look at all the other blogs etc Cats, Brett,Mark, Colonel to name a few, you will see they all talk about each and every Manson family member and they have their thoughts and opinions.
THIS group is absolutely NO different.
WE WILL talk about drag up whatever is public knowledge.
We have the RIGHT to our theories of how things went down. This is NOT a legal board this is njust a board of people that have an interest in Manson and the family.
Lets not keep dragging up the privacy card.
(Notice how CG jumps all over White Rabbitt because he dared to challenge her beloved Eran? It doesn't matter to her that Eran started the crap. It only matters that someone dared to come up against her precious Eran. So pathetic on CG's part!)
-Rabbit that is quite enuf- Eran has as much right to post his opinions here as any one else here does.
-- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, WHITE RABBITT wrote:
>
> Well, I bet she'll be more happy to speak with me than with you...
> eran u got no right to even dars thing anyone from the family should talk to u, your just a dude in israel who got nothing better to do with his time then harrass people like mother mary with stupid insane questions, a life eran leave the family alone
(Notice how CG had to jump in TWICE to defend her God Eran? I guess once wasn't enough for her. She just HAD to put her 2 cents worth in TWICE for the man she worships the most besides her own self! So VERY sad.)
this group might not be a court of law but eran andjamie treat it like this group is a court of law and they are the judges
(Good observations on Rabbitt's part. Too bad he hadn't thought of the law when he was harming innocent children.)
So let us hear what YOU know about it, or else shut up.
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, WHITE RABBITT wrote:
>
> eran dont post about zappa if u dont know what your talking about
>
>
> --- On Mon, 8/3/09, eran.gafni wrote:
>
> From: eran.gafni
> Subject: [charlesmanson_ and_family] Re: Did Manson ever actually meet Elvis Presley or Frank Zappa in person?
> To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 8:40 AM
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> Sanders claimed that Zappa refused to produce Charlie's music.
i dont care about your bs u post post about zappa u were not there i lived with zappa and i dont have to tell u nothing,
>
-So maybe YOU can enlighten Eran about Zappa?
(Notice how CG jumps right in for her hero Eran again? She's obviously so much in-love with him that she will say or do anything to make him shine like gold. Pathetic!)
Good point- lets hear YOUR theories Rabbit??
(As you can plainly see, once wasn't enough for ol' CG. She just couldn't resist in defending her God Eran again.)
-and THAT is NOT being a good member of this group.
IF you donot want to discuss anything then I am wondering what is the point? If you LIVED witrh Zappa then you should be ready to post about it. Thing is people just have a hard time believing anything becayse y9ou say you were there but you won't even discuss anything.
-- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, WHITE RABBITT wrote:
>
> i dont care about your bs u post post about zappa u were not there i lived with zappa and i dont have to tell u nothing,
(I guess CG figures showing favoritism towards certain special members IS being a good member of her lame group. This is the 5th time she has defended her favorite Eran against Rabbitt. She obviously can't get enough.)
.
if eran wants to know about zappa let him ask his wife gail
(Well, at least the creep defended his own self.)
If you sick, go see a shrink...
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, WHITE RABBITT wrote:
>
> look eran u post such crapola it makes me sick reading it, i dont have to prove nothing to u or anyone else i lived in la i was there u were not so get off your high horse eran
(CG naturally let's this go because her favorite Eran is holding the reins.)
.
eran u must be insane to post the same dribble every day get a life u frickin low life
(Now this I actually agree with. Too bad it's just another low life judging 1 of the same.)
This is what this group is all about- members can post what ever they want-- what might be dribble to you may be somehting important to another.
we just cant kick someone down for wha tthey post. Is better to just ignore if there cant be a civil post ..OK??
Members ask questions,members make opinions. NO one was THERE when all this went on so all WE really know is what we hear,read and think.
(Oh sure, the members can post whatever they want! That's why CG comes down on those her insult her precious Eran for the 6th time! He can basically say whatever HE wants but NOBODY else can speak out in protest. This just goes to show CG's lameness even more. She's obviously not impartial because she only comes down on those who challenge her love God Eran. So pathetic!)
-My best advice would be is to just ignore Erans posts if htey bother you so much.
(Sure, that's great advice because it takes all the heat off the almighty Eran.)
That's all for today. Tune in next weekend as usual.
Re: Paul Crockett And The Family
Posted by: "jlm30260@XXX.net" jlm30260@XXX.net
Sun Aug 2, 2009 10:50 am (PDT)
Eran~ Wow~ You are impressive! It must have made CM look very weak in his "followers" eyes. Here this old miner outsmarts the great JC! LOL.
I am surprised CM did not kill him, PC must have gotten out just in time.
Jamie
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, "eran.gafni"
>
> Both Sanders and Bugliosi depict him as one of the first Scietologists in the U.S. who met directly with Ron L. Hubbard and learned from him. After that he went to Death Valley to look for gold and settled in the Barker Ranch, where he met Manson. Since Manson was also practicing Scientology, Crocket probably noticed he is faking and despite acquiring several controlling tools and analysing from it, he wasn't a real "clear" person so Krocket used that against Manson.
>
> After PC learned of Manson dominance over his group and his supersticious mind, he "sent" mental and mind "messages" to Charlie and succeeded in concincing him that PC is stroger than he - and it was the first time in almost 2 years that someone managed to move Charlei away from anyplace without using the police or actually threatening Charlie. Also, Crokcet managed to pull away from Charlie some of his loyal members and thus proved he has mote mental strength and influence on people than Charlie.
>
> Finally Charlie did mamaged to intimidate Crocket and forced him to leave but it was only after the killings when he was well armed and shed all civilized manner. Crokcet left by night and later was a very rich source for the police and for the prosecution, since he was an outsider who was able to watch the Family in its most extreme paranoya situation right before its demise.
(Naturally, a fan of Eran would say he's impressive. I say he's a joke! His bashing of Manson only proves just how pathetic Eran is and how jealous he is of the man. I don't believe for 1 minute that this Crocket character is stronger than Charlie. I say this because HE never had to spend a day surviving behind bars like Charlie has. Charlie has endured more pain and hell than most people in the same situation EVER have! I admire the man's strength in spite of it all.)
Re: Manson & Bobby B.~ What Was Their Relationship Really Like?
Posted by: "eran.gafni" eran.gafni@XXXXX.com
Mon Aug 3, 2009 6:32 am (PDT)
Manson conradicted himself many times. He used to preach top his flock against owning things or against the establishent but he slept seperately from them and later on go to the Strip to entangle with those same people he preached against before.
That includes blacks also - he dealt drugs with black and while banning his flock to listen to black music, went to hear it himself, and even mixed Blues elements in his music.
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, lorriance waters
>
> but if manson was so racist, why did he attend LOVE gigs regularly on the strip, with three LOVE members being black, including the lead singer guitrist arthur lee, his attendance at their gigs, is written in a book penned by arthur lee.
(Good question exactly by Lorriance. Personally, I think Eran is just full of crap again and wanting to believe Manson was a racist. Eran's type always have to believe the worst about the ones they're intimidated by to feel important inside.)
Re: Manson & Bobby B.~ What Was Their Relationship Really Like?
Posted by: "eran.gafni" eran.gafni@XXXXX.com
Mon Aug 3, 2009 7:40 am (PDT)
When YOU start to provide facts, you'll be taken seriousely.
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, WHITE RABBITT
>
> u dont know that as fact aaron u are talking nunsence
(Even the sicko "White Rabbitt" pegged Eran correctly here. It's amazing how Eran requested that Rabbitt provide facts when in fact it couldn't be done on HIS OWN end! VERY hypocritical!)
Re: Manson & Bobby B.~ What Was Their Relationship Really Like?
Posted by: "Aaron" bredlau3@XXXXXXX.com
Mon Aug 3, 2009 7:42 am (PDT)
again wrong Aaron....Rabbit you are talking to ERAN
(Yeah, I know Rabbitt used the wrong name when posting but the idiot still called Eran out correctly. So, at least he did 1 thing right. Pay close attention to this conversation coming up next.)
Re: Did Mary Brunner Betray Manson?
Posted by: "eran.gafni" eran.gafni@XXXXX.com
Mon Aug 3, 2009 7:21 am (PDT)
Why, you afraid she'll say she doesn't recall seeing any furry guy with a long, dirty tongue runnign around Spahn?
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, WHITE RABBITT
>
> Maybe the very fact she did testified (while other Family members
> refused), but I wish we could contact her and ask her about it. I think
> she's one of the most interesting figures in the Family and like Susan,
> she can tell alot about Manson's mind.
>
>
> see aaron mother mary does not owe u a explanation, her thoughts on her youth with charlie are non of your bisness
> sewe this is the kind of post by a member of this group that makes me sick, what right does anyone in this group have to wanna bug mary to ask her stupid quistions let her and the other enjoy there privatecy
Re: Did Mary Brunner Betray Manson?
Posted by: "WHITE RABBITT" whiterabbitt83@XXXXX.com
Mon Aug 3, 2009 7:45 am (PDT)
becouse she has a right to privatecy and does not owe u squat
Re: Did Mary Brunner Betray Manson?
Posted by: "eran.gafni" eran.gafni@XXXXX.com
Mon Aug 3, 2009 7:50 am (PDT)
Well, I bet she'll be more happy to speak with me than with you...
Re: Did Mary Brunner Betray Manson?
Posted by: "WHITE RABBITT" whiterabbitt83@XXXXX.com
Mon Aug 3, 2009 7:59 am (PDT)
Well, I bet she'll be more happy to speak with me than with you...
eran u got no right to even dars thing anyone from the family should talk to u, your just a dude in israel who got nothing better to do with his time then harrass people like mother mary with stupid insane questions, a life eran leave the family alone
Re: Did Mary Brunner Betray Manson?
Posted by: "candygramma70" candygramma70@XXXXX.com
Mon Aug 3, 2009 10:42 am (PDT)
-Rabbit IMO you are over reacting.I doubr anyone has the address of her anyway so it is a MOOT subject. Do they have a right to their privacy? Of course they do. BUT you look at all the other blogs etc Cats, Brett,Mark, Colonel to name a few, you will see they all talk about each and every Manson family member and they have their thoughts and opinions.
THIS group is absolutely NO different.
WE WILL talk about drag up whatever is public knowledge.
We have the RIGHT to our theories of how things went down. This is NOT a legal board this is njust a board of people that have an interest in Manson and the family.
Lets not keep dragging up the privacy card.
(Notice how CG jumps all over White Rabbitt because he dared to challenge her beloved Eran? It doesn't matter to her that Eran started the crap. It only matters that someone dared to come up against her precious Eran. So pathetic on CG's part!)
Re: Did Mary Brunner Betray Manson?
Posted by: "candygramma70" candygramma70@XXXXX.com
Mon Aug 3, 2009 10:50 am (PDT)
-Rabbit that is quite enuf- Eran has as much right to post his opinions here as any one else here does.
-- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, WHITE RABBITT
>
> Well, I bet she'll be more happy to speak with me than with you...
> eran u got no right to even dars thing anyone from the family should talk to u, your just a dude in israel who got nothing better to do with his time then harrass people like mother mary with stupid insane questions, a life eran leave the family alone
(Notice how CG had to jump in TWICE to defend her God Eran? I guess once wasn't enough for her. She just HAD to put her 2 cents worth in TWICE for the man she worships the most besides her own self! So VERY sad.)
Re: Did Mary Brunner Betray Manson?
Posted by: "WHITE RABBITT" whiterabbitt83@XXXXX.com
Mon Aug 3, 2009 2:29 pm (PDT)
this group might not be a court of law but eran andjamie treat it like this group is a court of law and they are the judges
(Good observations on Rabbitt's part. Too bad he hadn't thought of the law when he was harming innocent children.)
Re: Did Manson ever actually meet Elvis Presley or Frank Zappa in pe
Posted by: "eran.gafni" eran.gafni@XXXXX.com
Mon Aug 3, 2009 7:46 am (PDT)
So let us hear what YOU know about it, or else shut up.
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, WHITE RABBITT
>
> eran dont post about zappa if u dont know what your talking about
>
>
> --- On Mon, 8/3/09, eran.gafni
>
> From: eran.gafni
> Subject: [charlesmanson_ and_family] Re: Did Manson ever actually meet Elvis Presley or Frank Zappa in person?
> To: charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 8:40 AM
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> Sanders claimed that Zappa refused to produce Charlie's music.
Re: Did Manson ever actually meet Elvis Presley or Frank Zappa in pe
Posted by: "WHITE RABBITT" whiterabbitt83@XXXXX.com
Mon Aug 3, 2009 7:54 am (PDT)
i dont care about your bs u post post about zappa u were not there i lived with zappa and i dont have to tell u nothing,
>
Re: Did Manson ever actually meet Elvis Presley or Frank Zappa in pe
Posted by: "candygramma70" candygramma70@XXXXX.com
Mon Aug 3, 2009 10:31 am (PDT)
-So maybe YOU can enlighten Eran about Zappa?
(Notice how CG jumps right in for her hero Eran again? She's obviously so much in-love with him that she will say or do anything to make him shine like gold. Pathetic!)
Re: Did Manson ever actually meet Elvis Presley or Frank Zappa in pe
Posted by: "candygramma70" candygramma70@XXXXX.com
Mon Aug 3, 2009 10:44 am (PDT)
Good point- lets hear YOUR theories Rabbit??
(As you can plainly see, once wasn't enough for ol' CG. She just couldn't resist in defending her God Eran again.)
Re: Did Manson ever actually meet Elvis Presley or Frank Zappa in pe
Posted by: "candygramma70" candygramma70@XXXXX.com
Mon Aug 3, 2009 10:48 am (PDT)
-and THAT is NOT being a good member of this group.
IF you donot want to discuss anything then I am wondering what is the point? If you LIVED witrh Zappa then you should be ready to post about it. Thing is people just have a hard time believing anything becayse y9ou say you were there but you won't even discuss anything.
-- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, WHITE RABBITT
>
> i dont care about your bs u post post about zappa u were not there i lived with zappa and i dont have to tell u nothing,
(I guess CG figures showing favoritism towards certain special members IS being a good member of her lame group. This is the 5th time she has defended her favorite Eran against Rabbitt. She obviously can't get enough.)
.
Re: Did Manson ever actually meet Elvis Presley or Frank Zappa in pe
Posted by: "WHITE RABBITT" whiterabbitt83@XXXXX.com
Mon Aug 3, 2009 2:29 pm (PDT)
if eran wants to know about zappa let him ask his wife gail
(Well, at least the creep defended his own self.)
Re: Manson & Bobby B.~ What Was Their Relationship Really Like?
Posted by: "eran.gafni" eran.gafni@XXXXX.com
Mon Aug 3, 2009 7:52 am (PDT)
If you sick, go see a shrink...
--- In charlesmanson_ and_family@ yahoogroups. com, WHITE RABBITT
>
> look eran u post such crapola it makes me sick reading it, i dont have to prove nothing to u or anyone else i lived in la i was there u were not so get off your high horse eran
(CG naturally let's this go because her favorite Eran is holding the reins.)
.
Re: Manson & Bobby B.~ What Was Their Relationship Really Like?
Posted by: "WHITE RABBITT" whiterabbitt83@XXXXX.com
Mon Aug 3, 2009 8:01 am (PDT)
eran u must be insane to post the same dribble every day get a life u frickin low life
(Now this I actually agree with. Too bad it's just another low life judging 1 of the same.)
Re: Manson & Bobby B.~ What Was Their Relationship Really Like?
Posted by: "cg" candygramma70@XXXXX.com
Mon Aug 3, 2009 9:58 am (PDT)
This is what this group is all about- members can post what ever they want-- what might be dribble to you may be somehting important to another.
we just cant kick someone down for wha tthey post. Is better to just ignore if there cant be a civil post ..OK??
Members ask questions,members make opinions. NO one was THERE when all this went on so all WE really know is what we hear,read and think.
(Oh sure, the members can post whatever they want! That's why CG comes down on those her insult her precious Eran for the 6th time! He can basically say whatever HE wants but NOBODY else can speak out in protest. This just goes to show CG's lameness even more. She's obviously not impartial because she only comes down on those who challenge her love God Eran. So pathetic!)
Re: Manson & Bobby B.~ What Was Their Relationship Really Like?
Posted by: "candygramma70" candygramma70@XXXXXcom
Mon Aug 3, 2009 10:45 am (PDT)
-My best advice would be is to just ignore Erans posts if htey bother you so much.
(Sure, that's great advice because it takes all the heat off the almighty Eran.)
That's all for today. Tune in next weekend as usual.